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Anonymous wrote:“If we actually want to do something about gun violence, both the dramatic mass shootings and the relentless toll of 30 or so gun homicides we experience each and every day, there is something we can do. It’s simple and straightforward. Are you ready? Here it is:

Don’t vote for Republicans.

I’m sorry if you find that too partisan. And I realize that there are many reasons you might have for voting for candidates of one or the other party that have nothing to do with guns. But the fact is that one of our two parties has in recent years decided that it will stop any and all efforts to address gun violence, no matter how reasonable they are and no matter how much of the public favors them, even something like universal background checks that is supported by more than 90 percent of Americans.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2018/02/15/the-one-thing-we-can-do-to-address-gun-violence/?utm_term=.347a1c182bac

Yes. For sure, those Democrats in Chicago are doing a great job on controlling gun violence.

Please view the other Chicago threads floating here to see how we have already addressed this.

Anonymous wrote:“If we actually want to do something about gun violence, both the dramatic mass shootings and the relentless toll of 30 or so gun homicides we experience each and every day, there is something we can do. It’s simple and straightforward. Are you ready? Here it is:

Don’t vote for Republicans.

I’m sorry if you find that too partisan. And I realize that there are many reasons you might have for voting for candidates of one or the other party that have nothing to do with guns. But the fact is that one of our two parties has in recent years decided that it will stop any and all efforts to address gun violence, no matter how reasonable they are and no matter how much of the public favors them, even something like universal background checks that is supported by more than 90 percent of Americans.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2018/02/15/the-one-thing-we-can-do-to-address-gun-violence/?utm_term=.347a1c182bac

Yes. For sure, those Democrats in Chicago are doing a great job on controlling gun violence.

“If we actually want to do something about gun violence, both the dramatic mass shootings and the relentless toll of 30 or so gun homicides we experience each and every day, there is something we can do. It’s simple and straightforward. Are you ready? Here it is:

Don’t vote for Republicans.

I’m sorry if you find that too partisan. And I realize that there are many reasons you might have for voting for candidates of one or the other party that have nothing to do with guns. But the fact is that one of our two parties has in recent years decided that it will stop any and all efforts to address gun violence, no matter how reasonable they are and no matter how much of the public favors them, even something like universal background checks that is supported by more than 90 percent of Americans.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2018/02/15/the-one-thing-we-can-do-to-address-gun-violence/?utm_term=.347a1c182bac

Anonymous wrote:There is no data or research - Hickey amendment banned it. Even Hickey regretted that on his deathbed.

It was Jay Dickey. Here's what he said about researching gun violence in 2015.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/time-for-collaboration-on-gun-research/2015/12/25/f989cd1a-a819-11e5-bff5-905b92f5f94b_story.html?utm_term=.cd42f8f8b76c

And here's what he said about it 2012, about five months before Sandy Hook

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/we-wont-know-the-cause-of-gun-violence-until-we-look-for-it/2012/07/27/gJQAPfenEX_story.html?utm_term=.ee752b848d71

TL;DR or don't have WaPo subscription: we can maintain gun rights AND research gun violence. Each has to be done to protect the other.

Personally, I'm still at f*ck your guns and get rid of them all. I'm working hard this year to amass votes against any elected official who refuses to even try to solve this problem.

Anonymous wrote:Many members of the nra want gun control. It’s their screwed up leadership that has taken over:
http://www.cc.com/video-clips/xzgbgu/the-daily-show-with-trevor-noah-nra-members-weigh-in-on-gun-control

We should be targeting the reasonable members of the nra to to turn in their membership cards until there is some change in leadership that leads to more sensibility at the NRA.

Jesus, everything but the kitchen sink. And that too.

Anonymous wrote:What is it that you think the Democrats are going to do in regards to gun control? They all say things like "we need gun control" and "we need to do something" and all the other empty statements, yet I haven't seen a single gun control measure presented by a Democrat that would make us safer.

So....If I swing blue, what exactly are they going to do? Actually, I'd apply that question to every major issue...what exactly are the Democrats proposing? They don't seem to ever say anything of value. They attack the republicans who at least have the guts to put their ideas forward (even when they are stupid) and all the Democrats do is call them names and tell you to vote for them instead, all while telling you nothing about what they would do.

That's interesting.

The primary message I've been receiving from Republicans for the past 13 months is this: we've got nothing for you.

Oh sure, if you've got money to pay for your needs, great. For everyone else, too bad. Because really, you're on your own. Look out for you and no one else. That's what WE do.

But ensuring your access to health care? Nope.

Ensuring your safety? Well, we'll make you pay for a military, but air and water that won't kill you or make you sick? Nope. A president giving away your security from the Oval Office? Yeah, we're okay with that.

Watching your kid die from a drugs sold by a dealer dressed up as a doctor? Your problem, sorry.

Sole household breadwinner shot by a nervous and poorly trained cop? Kwitcherbitchin.

Seven-year-old's head blown off while she's sitting in her classroom? Fake news. BUT, just in case - prayers for you.

So here's what I think Democrats are going to do: 1) Actually care about all that. 2) Remember that a government does have an obligation its people. 3) Direct all the resources that individuals, local governments and state governments cannot fund or manage - toward doing something. There's a reason that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is a federal entity, not a neighborhood health center. There's a reason neighborhood health centers do not rely solely on what your neighborhood can provide.

Here's what I think Republicans are going to do: 1) try to stop anyone who tries to do something. That's it. Because one thing is clear - they serve the masters who paid for them to be there, and that is NOT us.

You know how you can tell? All their efforts to keep people from voting, or expressing their outrage, and most importantly - their efforts to keep people from believing that anything can done.

If your bank account is fat enough for you to feel safe with that belief, vote Republican. I'm sure you already do. For everyone else: vote them all out.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there a score card for politicians that support gun control?

Or use the NRA ratings - in reverse.

You realize something like 75% of the population is against you?

Do you have a citation for that? Because 72% of NRA members want criminal background checks on every gun sale.

When you define gun control like the nonsense in Washington DC, they're overwhelmingly against it, because you've set them up to be dependent on police response time. The NJ laws and some other states are pretty ridiculous too.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is there a score card for politicians that support gun control?

Or use the NRA ratings - in reverse.

You realize something like 75% of the population is against you?

Do you have a citation for that? Because 72% of NRA members want criminal background checks on every gun sale.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is there a score card for politicians that support gun control?

Or use the NRA ratings - in reverse.

You realize something like 75% of the population is against you?

Anonymous wrote:There is no data or research - Hickey amendment banned it. Even Hickey regretted that on his deathbed.

There is some out there, just not by CDC. I agree there isn’t nearly enough out there overall.

We need to get the Hicket Amendment reverses but I don’t know when it’s up again - it was recently re-voted on in I think 2016. Maybe one low hanging fruit is to call your reps about reversing the Hickey Amendment. It’s a start.

Anonymous wrote:I used to think gun control was the answer. My research told me otherwise....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/i-used-to-think-gun-control-was-the-answer-my-research-told-me-otherwise/2017/10/03/d33edca6-a851-11e7-92d1-58c702d2d975_story.html?utm_term=.c2eb21aa3f77

There’s a whole thread on this opinion piece here, in addition to the giant one where we discussed it when it first came out. Please stop spamming every thread with it.
http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/705103.page

There is no data or research - Hickey amendment banned it. Even Hickey regretted that on his deathbed.

Anonymous wrote:I used to think gun control was the answer. My research told me otherwise....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/i-used-to-think-gun-control-was-the-answer-my-research-told-me-otherwise/2017/10/03/d33edca6-a851-11e7-92d1-58c702d2d975_story.html?utm_term=.c2eb21aa3f77

I remember when this op ed came out and it frustrated me to no end — she barely brings in any data/research. There is a growing body of sound evidence (as in not just basic statistics from the FBI) that show that communities with more guns have more gun deaths.

That said, I don’t think national gun “control” regulation is the be all, end all answer to this issue. I think there need to be local reforms and local programs as well. What need really need is to stop viewing the issue of gun violence by identifying what one or two laws would have prevented the mass shooting du jour. It should be a big picture public health approach that includes more and better research, used to identify potential solutions that would have maximum impact on gun deaths overall. Mass shootings are horrific and sensationalized but they don’t represent a large proportion of gun violence incidents. I think that’s what this author was trying to say, dispelling myths about gun violence, but she did a poor job of portraying that.

From the article:

"However, the next-largest set of gun deaths — 1 in 5 — were young men aged 15 to 34, killed in homicides. These men were most likely to die at the hands of other young men, often related to gang loyalties or other street violence. And the last notable group of similar deaths was the 1,700 women murdered per year, usually as the result of domestic violence. Far more people were killed in these ways than in mass-shooting incidents, but few of the popularly floated policies were tailored to serve them."