Anonymous
Post 04/30/2016 10:15     Subject: Re:Is Trump racist?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don't think he's racist. He's anti illegal immigration. He's fearful of letting terrorists into America by allowing Muslims to immigrate without screening. If you think those policies are racist, then yes, you'll think he's racist.
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I don't think either of those are racist.

Every speech he has given this campaign is on YouTube so I would be interested in hearing one quotation as bad as those in Clinton's history.

Not a call for who he is appealing to or who he didn't disavow quickly enough but a specific statement.

Your Clinton Derangement Syndrome is palpable. You are inadvertently reinforcing narratives about a particular strain of Sanders supporters, too. I will point this out, because the majority of Democrats who support Bernie are not like this.
Anonymous
Post 04/30/2016 10:10     Subject: Re:Is Trump racist?
Anonymous wrote:I don't think he's racist. He's anti illegal immigration. He's fearful of letting terrorists into America by allowing Muslims to immigrate without screening. If you think those policies are racist, then yes, you'll think he's racist.
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I don't think either of those are racist.

Every speech he has given this campaign is on YouTube so I would be interested in hearing one quotation as bad as those in Clinton's history.

Not a call for who he is appealing to or who he didn't disavow quickly enough but a specific statement.
Anonymous
Post 04/30/2016 10:06     Subject: Re:Is Trump racist?
I don't think he's racist. He's anti illegal immigration. He's fearful of letting terrorists into America by allowing Muslims to immigrate without screening. If you think those policies are racist, then yes, you'll think he's racist.

He has dated an AAs, so that says something.
Anonymous
Post 04/30/2016 09:58     Subject: Is Trump racist?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am saying that Clinton ran a racist campaign in 2008. Her supporters then called Sanders supporters racist in 2016.

Based on this experience of mine, I am taking it with a grain of salt if they now call Trump a racist.

In 2008 would anyone think Trump is anything but a dumb oaf? If Sanders became a racist by daring to oppose Hillary, I believe the same can be used to tarnish others.

Jeff, I don't think that is a hijack.


I'm not Jeff, but to me it's an obvious hijack, and a bizarre one.


NP, no it's not. It's an opinion relevant to the question "Is Trump racist?".

Apparently you all just want a yes or no answer. That's hardly a genuine discussion revolved around the multitude of reasons that are at play with regard to this loaded question.


I'll just agree with Jeff, then. Your attempt to dismiss Trump's actions is really mind-blowing.
Anonymous
Post 04/30/2016 09:56     Subject: Is Trump racist?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am saying that Clinton ran a racist campaign in 2008. Her supporters then called Sanders supporters racist in 2016.

Based on this experience of mine, I am taking it with a grain of salt if they now call Trump a racist.

In 2008 would anyone think Trump is anything but a dumb oaf? If Sanders became a racist by daring to oppose Hillary, I believe the same can be used to tarnish others.

Jeff, I don't think that is a hijack.


I'm not Jeff, but to me it's an obvious hijack, and a bizarre one.


NP, no it's not. It's an opinion relevant to the question "Is Trump racist?".

Apparently you all just want a yes or no answer. That's hardly a genuine discussion revolved around the multitude of reasons that are at play with regard to this loaded question.

jsteele
Post 04/30/2016 09:51     Subject: Is Trump racist?
Anonymous wrote:I am saying that Clinton ran a racist campaign in 2008. Her supporters then called Sanders supporters racist in 2016.

Based on this experience of mine, I am taking it with a grain of salt if they now call Trump a racist.

In 2008 would anyone think Trump is anything but a dumb oaf? If Sanders became a racist by daring to oppose Hillary, I believe the same can be used to tarnish others.

Jeff, I don't think that is a hijack.



Okay, please ignore any claims by HRC supporters that Trump is a racist. There are a thousand other reasons to oppose Trump. Moreover, I am not a HRC supporter and I am saying that Trump is appealing to racism as a campaign tactic. Are you going to take what Sanders supporters say with a grain of salt as well? Your attempt to minimize Trump's racist discourse is mind-blowing.
Anonymous
Post 04/30/2016 09:38     Subject: Is Trump racist?
Anonymous wrote:I am saying that Clinton ran a racist campaign in 2008. Her supporters then called Sanders supporters racist in 2016.

Based on this experience of mine, I am taking it with a grain of salt if they now call Trump a racist.

In 2008 would anyone think Trump is anything but a dumb oaf? If Sanders became a racist by daring to oppose Hillary, I believe the same can be used to tarnish others.

Jeff, I don't think that is a hijack.


I'm not Jeff, but to me it's an obvious hijack, and a bizarre one.
Anonymous
Post 04/30/2016 09:33     Subject: Is Trump racist?
I am saying that Clinton ran a racist campaign in 2008. Her supporters then called Sanders supporters racist in 2016.

Based on this experience of mine, I am taking it with a grain of salt if they now call Trump a racist.

In 2008 would anyone think Trump is anything but a dumb oaf? If Sanders became a racist by daring to oppose Hillary, I believe the same can be used to tarnish others.

Jeff, I don't think that is a hijack.

Anonymous
Post 04/30/2016 09:29     Subject: Re:Is Trump racist?
jsteele wrote:This question is covered pretty well in this thread:

http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/545545.page

Trump frames his statements to appeal to white identity politics. It is a classic case of blaming all of America's ills on "them", the "them" being blacks, Mexicans, Muslims, women, the disabled, etc., depending on the issue at hand. If a black person can't find a job, according to Trump that person lacks spirit. If a white Christian male can't find a job, it is because the job was either sent to Mexico or taken by an illegal immigrant. Whether this is racism or cynical politics is a question that we can't answer.


I agree with this statement. I will add that when a person knowingly says things, creates an environment, or supports policies that have a racist effect (not sure how to term that), I don't think they should get a free pass to step back and claim that they are not racist.
Anonymous
Post 04/30/2016 09:25     Subject: Is Trump racist?
Anonymous wrote:Just to add: the racist stuff would maybe fly if it weren't coming from HRC supporters.

You don't get to be a racist and then take the high ground against racists with any shred of honesty.

You don't seem to understand the bigger picture here, or realize that many people who support different candidates, see this and are calling it out. Many Republicans, Sanders supporters and Clinton supporters agree that we need to stand against this. But some reason you're letting your hostility toward Clinton override your common sense.
Anonymous
Post 04/30/2016 09:25     Subject: Is Trump racist?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Jeff, do you think Hillary Clinton's team dabbled in the same in the 2008 primary?

You are deflecting from the OP's question. Why?

We can't know what Trump really thinks in terms of race and national origin. Is he genuinely a racist and xenophobe? I don't know what's in his heart or mind. But he makes racist and xenophobic statements and appeals to resentment in white people, so his behaviors are certainly bigoted. What more do we really need to know?


This. He certainly talks like one.
jsteele
Post 04/30/2016 09:25     Subject: Is Trump racist?
Anonymous wrote:Just to add: the racist stuff would maybe fly if it weren't coming from HRC supporters.

You don't get to be a racist and then take the high ground against racists with any shred of honesty.


The topic of this thread is Trump and I -- not a HRC supporter -- was one of the primary responders. You are fighting the wrong battle at the moment and hijacking this thread.
Anonymous
Post 04/30/2016 09:16     Subject: Is Trump racist?
Just to add: the racist stuff would maybe fly if it weren't coming from HRC supporters.

You don't get to be a racist and then take the high ground against racists with any shred of honesty.
Anonymous
Post 04/30/2016 09:15     Subject: Is Trump racist?
The blaming a candidate for their worst supporters doesn't fly with me after the invented BernieBro fiasco or the fake bullshit stories out of the Nevada Primary.

Or when the worst offenses of people not even involved with the Occupy movement were used to discredit the entire message.

Should HRC be responsible for the guy in the Trump shirt who got his face bashed in. That is actual violence not just mean words to a journalist.


Anonymous
Post 04/30/2016 09:11     Subject: Is Trump racist?
Anonymous wrote:I'm not a Trump supporter.

I'm a Sanders supporter who called a racist and misogynist for daring not to vote for HRC, so I've seen how this game is played.

I'm sorry if it hurts your feelings to remember the racist shit her team pulled in 2008.

The violence at Trump rallies is going to hand the election to him as it truly terrifies most voters not wrapped up in the internet bubble.

I know you're a Sanders supporter and I know your intentions. You're engaging in false equivalences, and dishonesty of that kind keeps us from looking squarely at what Trump is doing.

This man is running a campaign that emboldens people to do things like this:

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/apr/28/julia-ioffe-journalist-melania-trump-antisemitic-abuse?CMP=share_btn_tw

Let's be honest about it.