Anonymous
05/09/2022 13:49
Subject: When are PVS qualifying times posted?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Doubtful those are easier than the 2019 times.
Why are so many of the posters focused on the 2019 times? The 2021 LC cut times are faster than the 2019 LC cut times (at least for the 12 and unders), so why would the 2019 times be the ones to look at as a goal?
Because 2019 was the last normal season. Since then, several meets have adjusted QTs or meet format to keep the # of athletes per session lower. As we return to normal, some think the best guess is the last normal season format.
I haven’t seen many meets return to easier cuts. Which ones?
JO for one. In 2021 it was the "wave 3" for the 14&U kids. This year it went back to similar to 2019 (or you can say 2020 since the cuts were released but the meet was cancelled). Summer LC for 14&U was a different format in 2021 than usual as well.
This is OP. What I'm trying to figure out is when JO cut times are posted. Is it going to be ... December? February? Wondering how much notice kids will have.
I thought it was Januaryish. But my memory might be off.
I’m confused why it really matters? Use the 2019 cuts as a baseline and then if they are a little different, then it is what it is. Is your kid so close to the line that they wouldn’t be swimming if the times are a little different?
I have a kid who easily makes JOs in one stroke and is close enough in others that if she really worked at it, she could make it in others. She wants to know what the cut times are for the other strokes, so she can see how close she is and where she might want to focus. But if they're going to be significantly faster/slower, she might prioritize differently. Was just trying to figure out if there's enough notice in the season that she would be able to pick and choose her focus areas.
Different poster: this is a little strange to me, too bc if your first sentence was true, and her focused work would be enough to make it in the other strokes, why wouldn’t she have done that in March, which means she’d likely already be ready for the long course meet?
We are new to swimming and it's a pretty steep learning curve. We didn't even know cut time meets were a thing until she made JOs.
But that’s not who the other poster is. She already knew her kid was close in other jo cuts, which she knows he kid can make. That’s completely different than have no idea how things work in swim. I never say my kid can definitely make a cut unless my kid has definitely made a cut.
Anonymous
05/09/2022 13:20
Subject: When are PVS qualifying times posted?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Doubtful those are easier than the 2019 times.
Why are so many of the posters focused on the 2019 times? The 2021 LC cut times are faster than the 2019 LC cut times (at least for the 12 and unders), so why would the 2019 times be the ones to look at as a goal?
Because 2019 was the last normal season. Since then, several meets have adjusted QTs or meet format to keep the # of athletes per session lower. As we return to normal, some think the best guess is the last normal season format.
I haven’t seen many meets return to easier cuts. Which ones?
JO for one. In 2021 it was the "wave 3" for the 14&U kids. This year it went back to similar to 2019 (or you can say 2020 since the cuts were released but the meet was cancelled). Summer LC for 14&U was a different format in 2021 than usual as well.
This is OP. What I'm trying to figure out is when JO cut times are posted. Is it going to be ... December? February? Wondering how much notice kids will have.
I thought it was Januaryish. But my memory might be off.
I’m confused why it really matters? Use the 2019 cuts as a baseline and then if they are a little different, then it is what it is. Is your kid so close to the line that they wouldn’t be swimming if the times are a little different?
I have a kid who easily makes JOs in one stroke and is close enough in others that if she really worked at it, she could make it in others. She wants to know what the cut times are for the other strokes, so she can see how close she is and where she might want to focus. But if they're going to be significantly faster/slower, she might prioritize differently. Was just trying to figure out if there's enough notice in the season that she would be able to pick and choose her focus areas.
Different poster: this is a little strange to me, too bc if your first sentence was true, and her focused work would be enough to make it in the other strokes, why wouldn’t she have done that in March, which means she’d likely already be ready for the long course meet?
I have a kid who is aging up. 2019 and 2021 cuts are very different. I'm sure a lot of you have mega fast kids that make cuts easily - it is reasonable to expect cuts for a meet that is 2 months out to be posted. Our club is only doing 2 more meets before the champs meet, and one is this weekend. The difference in the cuts for the 2 years is big for my kid. Slower cuts, she'll make it in her better events. It isn't bad to want to know what to shoot for.
This is a really good point for the current LC season. It hadn't even occurred to me that these cuts are actually unknown. Ask your coach what they know because there may be a plan in place (i.e. using the document posted in December) that has not been communicated at the parent/athlete level.
Anonymous
05/09/2022 13:17
Subject: When are PVS qualifying times posted?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Doubtful those are easier than the 2019 times.
Why are so many of the posters focused on the 2019 times? The 2021 LC cut times are faster than the 2019 LC cut times (at least for the 12 and unders), so why would the 2019 times be the ones to look at as a goal?
Because 2019 was the last normal season. Since then, several meets have adjusted QTs or meet format to keep the # of athletes per session lower. As we return to normal, some think the best guess is the last normal season format.
I haven’t seen many meets return to easier cuts. Which ones?
JO for one. In 2021 it was the "wave 3" for the 14&U kids. This year it went back to similar to 2019 (or you can say 2020 since the cuts were released but the meet was cancelled). Summer LC for 14&U was a different format in 2021 than usual as well.
This is OP. What I'm trying to figure out is when JO cut times are posted. Is it going to be ... December? February? Wondering how much notice kids will have.
I thought it was Januaryish. But my memory might be off.
I’m confused why it really matters? Use the 2019 cuts as a baseline and then if they are a little different, then it is what it is. Is your kid so close to the line that they wouldn’t be swimming if the times are a little different?
I have a kid who easily makes JOs in one stroke and is close enough in others that if she really worked at it, she could make it in others. She wants to know what the cut times are for the other strokes, so she can see how close she is and where she might want to focus. But if they're going to be significantly faster/slower, she might prioritize differently. Was just trying to figure out if there's enough notice in the season that she would be able to pick and choose her focus areas.
I would use the motivational times instead of worrying about JO times. But that’s just me.
Which ones? For example AAAA seems really hard to hit.
I have always heard AAAA times are the top 100 or so times in the country. So yes, those are tough standards.
But AA is a great goal for low age and AAA for high age. And, even that makes you extremely competitive, imo.
Anonymous
05/09/2022 13:13
Subject: When are PVS qualifying times posted?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Doubtful those are easier than the 2019 times.
Why are so many of the posters focused on the 2019 times? The 2021 LC cut times are faster than the 2019 LC cut times (at least for the 12 and unders), so why would the 2019 times be the ones to look at as a goal?
Because 2019 was the last normal season. Since then, several meets have adjusted QTs or meet format to keep the # of athletes per session lower. As we return to normal, some think the best guess is the last normal season format.
I haven’t seen many meets return to easier cuts. Which ones?
JO for one. In 2021 it was the "wave 3" for the 14&U kids. This year it went back to similar to 2019 (or you can say 2020 since the cuts were released but the meet was cancelled). Summer LC for 14&U was a different format in 2021 than usual as well.
This is OP. What I'm trying to figure out is when JO cut times are posted. Is it going to be ... December? February? Wondering how much notice kids will have.
I thought it was Januaryish. But my memory might be off.
I’m confused why it really matters? Use the 2019 cuts as a baseline and then if they are a little different, then it is what it is. Is your kid so close to the line that they wouldn’t be swimming if the times are a little different?
I have a kid who easily makes JOs in one stroke and is close enough in others that if she really worked at it, she could make it in others. She wants to know what the cut times are for the other strokes, so she can see how close she is and where she might want to focus. But if they're going to be significantly faster/slower, she might prioritize differently. Was just trying to figure out if there's enough notice in the season that she would be able to pick and choose her focus areas.
Different poster: this is a little strange to me, too bc if your first sentence was true, and her focused work would be enough to make it in the other strokes, why wouldn’t she have done that in March, which means she’d likely already be ready for the long course meet?
I have a kid who is aging up. 2019 and 2021 cuts are very different. I'm sure a lot of you have mega fast kids that make cuts easily - it is reasonable to expect cuts for a meet that is 2 months out to be posted. Our club is only doing 2 more meets before the champs meet, and one is this weekend. The difference in the cuts for the 2 years is big for my kid. Slower cuts, she'll make it in her better events. It isn't bad to want to know what to shoot for.
Anonymous
05/09/2022 13:04
Subject: When are PVS qualifying times posted?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Doubtful those are easier than the 2019 times.
Why are so many of the posters focused on the 2019 times? The 2021 LC cut times are faster than the 2019 LC cut times (at least for the 12 and unders), so why would the 2019 times be the ones to look at as a goal?
Because 2019 was the last normal season. Since then, several meets have adjusted QTs or meet format to keep the # of athletes per session lower. As we return to normal, some think the best guess is the last normal season format.
I haven’t seen many meets return to easier cuts. Which ones?
JO for one. In 2021 it was the "wave 3" for the 14&U kids. This year it went back to similar to 2019 (or you can say 2020 since the cuts were released but the meet was cancelled). Summer LC for 14&U was a different format in 2021 than usual as well.
This is OP. What I'm trying to figure out is when JO cut times are posted. Is it going to be ... December? February? Wondering how much notice kids will have.
I thought it was Januaryish. But my memory might be off.
I’m confused why it really matters? Use the 2019 cuts as a baseline and then if they are a little different, then it is what it is. Is your kid so close to the line that they wouldn’t be swimming if the times are a little different?
I have a kid who easily makes JOs in one stroke and is close enough in others that if she really worked at it, she could make it in others. She wants to know what the cut times are for the other strokes, so she can see how close she is and where she might want to focus. But if they're going to be significantly faster/slower, she might prioritize differently. Was just trying to figure out if there's enough notice in the season that she would be able to pick and choose her focus areas.
Different poster: this is a little strange to me, too bc if your first sentence was true, and her focused work would be enough to make it in the other strokes, why wouldn’t she have done that in March, which means she’d likely already be ready for the long course meet?
We are new to swimming and it's a pretty steep learning curve. We didn't even know cut time meets were a thing until she made JOs.
If you are new to swimming and she made JOs, I’m guessing she’s in the 9-10 age group? If she will still be in that age group next March, the 2022 times will be fine to use as goals if she is focused on making JOs in other strokes. The 9-10 JO cut times have been pretty much the same for over 5 years.
Yes, 9/10 and same age group. Thank you!
Anonymous
05/09/2022 12:33
Subject: When are PVS qualifying times posted?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Doubtful those are easier than the 2019 times.
Why are so many of the posters focused on the 2019 times? The 2021 LC cut times are faster than the 2019 LC cut times (at least for the 12 and unders), so why would the 2019 times be the ones to look at as a goal?
Because 2019 was the last normal season. Since then, several meets have adjusted QTs or meet format to keep the # of athletes per session lower. As we return to normal, some think the best guess is the last normal season format.
I haven’t seen many meets return to easier cuts. Which ones?
JO for one. In 2021 it was the "wave 3" for the 14&U kids. This year it went back to similar to 2019 (or you can say 2020 since the cuts were released but the meet was cancelled). Summer LC for 14&U was a different format in 2021 than usual as well.
This is OP. What I'm trying to figure out is when JO cut times are posted. Is it going to be ... December? February? Wondering how much notice kids will have.
I thought it was Januaryish. But my memory might be off.
I’m confused why it really matters? Use the 2019 cuts as a baseline and then if they are a little different, then it is what it is. Is your kid so close to the line that they wouldn’t be swimming if the times are a little different?
I have a kid who easily makes JOs in one stroke and is close enough in others that if she really worked at it, she could make it in others. She wants to know what the cut times are for the other strokes, so she can see how close she is and where she might want to focus. But if they're going to be significantly faster/slower, she might prioritize differently. Was just trying to figure out if there's enough notice in the season that she would be able to pick and choose her focus areas.
Different poster: this is a little strange to me, too bc if your first sentence was true, and her focused work would be enough to make it in the other strokes, why wouldn’t she have done that in March, which means she’d likely already be ready for the long course meet?
We are new to swimming and it's a pretty steep learning curve. We didn't even know cut time meets were a thing until she made JOs.
If you are new to swimming and she made JOs, I’m guessing she’s in the 9-10 age group? If she will still be in that age group next March, the 2022 times will be fine to use as goals if she is focused on making JOs in other strokes. The 9-10 JO cut times have been pretty much the same for over 5 years.
Anonymous
05/09/2022 12:15
Subject: When are PVS qualifying times posted?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Doubtful those are easier than the 2019 times.
Why are so many of the posters focused on the 2019 times? The 2021 LC cut times are faster than the 2019 LC cut times (at least for the 12 and unders), so why would the 2019 times be the ones to look at as a goal?
Because 2019 was the last normal season. Since then, several meets have adjusted QTs or meet format to keep the # of athletes per session lower. As we return to normal, some think the best guess is the last normal season format.
I haven’t seen many meets return to easier cuts. Which ones?
JO for one. In 2021 it was the "wave 3" for the 14&U kids. This year it went back to similar to 2019 (or you can say 2020 since the cuts were released but the meet was cancelled). Summer LC for 14&U was a different format in 2021 than usual as well.
This is OP. What I'm trying to figure out is when JO cut times are posted. Is it going to be ... December? February? Wondering how much notice kids will have.
I thought it was Januaryish. But my memory might be off.
I’m confused why it really matters? Use the 2019 cuts as a baseline and then if they are a little different, then it is what it is. Is your kid so close to the line that they wouldn’t be swimming if the times are a little different?
I have a kid who easily makes JOs in one stroke and is close enough in others that if she really worked at it, she could make it in others. She wants to know what the cut times are for the other strokes, so she can see how close she is and where she might want to focus. But if they're going to be significantly faster/slower, she might prioritize differently. Was just trying to figure out if there's enough notice in the season that she would be able to pick and choose her focus areas.
I would use the motivational times instead of worrying about JO times. But that’s just me.
Which ones? For example AAAA seems really hard to hit.
Anonymous
05/09/2022 12:12
Subject: When are PVS qualifying times posted?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Doubtful those are easier than the 2019 times.
Why are so many of the posters focused on the 2019 times? The 2021 LC cut times are faster than the 2019 LC cut times (at least for the 12 and unders), so why would the 2019 times be the ones to look at as a goal?
Because 2019 was the last normal season. Since then, several meets have adjusted QTs or meet format to keep the # of athletes per session lower. As we return to normal, some think the best guess is the last normal season format.
I haven’t seen many meets return to easier cuts. Which ones?
JO for one. In 2021 it was the "wave 3" for the 14&U kids. This year it went back to similar to 2019 (or you can say 2020 since the cuts were released but the meet was cancelled). Summer LC for 14&U was a different format in 2021 than usual as well.
This is OP. What I'm trying to figure out is when JO cut times are posted. Is it going to be ... December? February? Wondering how much notice kids will have.
I thought it was Januaryish. But my memory might be off.
I’m confused why it really matters? Use the 2019 cuts as a baseline and then if they are a little different, then it is what it is. Is your kid so close to the line that they wouldn’t be swimming if the times are a little different?
I have a kid who easily makes JOs in one stroke and is close enough in others that if she really worked at it, she could make it in others. She wants to know what the cut times are for the other strokes, so she can see how close she is and where she might want to focus. But if they're going to be significantly faster/slower, she might prioritize differently. Was just trying to figure out if there's enough notice in the season that she would be able to pick and choose her focus areas.
Different poster: this is a little strange to me, too bc if your first sentence was true, and her focused work would be enough to make it in the other strokes, why wouldn’t she have done that in March, which means she’d likely already be ready for the long course meet?
We are new to swimming and it's a pretty steep learning curve. We didn't even know cut time meets were a thing until she made JOs.
Anonymous
05/09/2022 12:07
Subject: When are PVS qualifying times posted?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Doubtful those are easier than the 2019 times.
Why are so many of the posters focused on the 2019 times? The 2021 LC cut times are faster than the 2019 LC cut times (at least for the 12 and unders), so why would the 2019 times be the ones to look at as a goal?
Because 2019 was the last normal season. Since then, several meets have adjusted QTs or meet format to keep the # of athletes per session lower. As we return to normal, some think the best guess is the last normal season format.
I haven’t seen many meets return to easier cuts. Which ones?
JO for one. In 2021 it was the "wave 3" for the 14&U kids. This year it went back to similar to 2019 (or you can say 2020 since the cuts were released but the meet was cancelled). Summer LC for 14&U was a different format in 2021 than usual as well.
This is OP. What I'm trying to figure out is when JO cut times are posted. Is it going to be ... December? February? Wondering how much notice kids will have.
I thought it was Januaryish. But my memory might be off.
I’m confused why it really matters? Use the 2019 cuts as a baseline and then if they are a little different, then it is what it is. Is your kid so close to the line that they wouldn’t be swimming if the times are a little different?
I have a kid who easily makes JOs in one stroke and is close enough in others that if she really worked at it, she could make it in others. She wants to know what the cut times are for the other strokes, so she can see how close she is and where she might want to focus. But if they're going to be significantly faster/slower, she might prioritize differently. Was just trying to figure out if there's enough notice in the season that she would be able to pick and choose her focus areas.
I would use the motivational times instead of worrying about JO times. But that’s just me.
Anonymous
05/09/2022 11:38
Subject: When are PVS qualifying times posted?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Doubtful those are easier than the 2019 times.
Why are so many of the posters focused on the 2019 times? The 2021 LC cut times are faster than the 2019 LC cut times (at least for the 12 and unders), so why would the 2019 times be the ones to look at as a goal?
Because 2019 was the last normal season. Since then, several meets have adjusted QTs or meet format to keep the # of athletes per session lower. As we return to normal, some think the best guess is the last normal season format.
I haven’t seen many meets return to easier cuts. Which ones?
JO for one. In 2021 it was the "wave 3" for the 14&U kids. This year it went back to similar to 2019 (or you can say 2020 since the cuts were released but the meet was cancelled). Summer LC for 14&U was a different format in 2021 than usual as well.
This is OP. What I'm trying to figure out is when JO cut times are posted. Is it going to be ... December? February? Wondering how much notice kids will have.
I knew this had been discussed before, according to this thread, the March 2022 JO times came out in November 2021.
https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1003465.page
Anonymous
05/09/2022 11:30
Subject: When are PVS qualifying times posted?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Doubtful those are easier than the 2019 times.
Why are so many of the posters focused on the 2019 times? The 2021 LC cut times are faster than the 2019 LC cut times (at least for the 12 and unders), so why would the 2019 times be the ones to look at as a goal?
Because 2019 was the last normal season. Since then, several meets have adjusted QTs or meet format to keep the # of athletes per session lower. As we return to normal, some think the best guess is the last normal season format.
I haven’t seen many meets return to easier cuts. Which ones?
JO for one. In 2021 it was the "wave 3" for the 14&U kids. This year it went back to similar to 2019 (or you can say 2020 since the cuts were released but the meet was cancelled). Summer LC for 14&U was a different format in 2021 than usual as well.
This is OP. What I'm trying to figure out is when JO cut times are posted. Is it going to be ... December? February? Wondering how much notice kids will have.
I thought it was Januaryish. But my memory might be off.
I’m confused why it really matters? Use the 2019 cuts as a baseline and then if they are a little different, then it is what it is. Is your kid so close to the line that they wouldn’t be swimming if the times are a little different?
I have a kid who easily makes JOs in one stroke and is close enough in others that if she really worked at it, she could make it in others. She wants to know what the cut times are for the other strokes, so she can see how close she is and where she might want to focus. But if they're going to be significantly faster/slower, she might prioritize differently. Was just trying to figure out if there's enough notice in the season that she would be able to pick and choose her focus areas.
Different poster: this is a little strange to me, too bc if your first sentence was true, and her focused work would be enough to make it in the other strokes, why wouldn’t she have done that in March, which means she’d likely already be ready for the long course meet?
Anonymous
05/09/2022 11:28
Subject: When are PVS qualifying times posted?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Doubtful those are easier than the 2019 times.
Why are so many of the posters focused on the 2019 times? The 2021 LC cut times are faster than the 2019 LC cut times (at least for the 12 and unders), so why would the 2019 times be the ones to look at as a goal?
Because 2019 was the last normal season. Since then, several meets have adjusted QTs or meet format to keep the # of athletes per session lower. As we return to normal, some think the best guess is the last normal season format.
I haven’t seen many meets return to easier cuts. Which ones?
JO for one. In 2021 it was the "wave 3" for the 14&U kids. This year it went back to similar to 2019 (or you can say 2020 since the cuts were released but the meet was cancelled). Summer LC for 14&U was a different format in 2021 than usual as well.
this is us, too. It would be helpful to have the times, esp 2 months out from the meet itself.
This is OP. What I'm trying to figure out is when JO cut times are posted. Is it going to be ... December? February? Wondering how much notice kids will have.
I thought it was Januaryish. But my memory might be off.
I’m confused why it really matters? Use the 2019 cuts as a baseline and then if they are a little different, then it is what it is. Is your kid so close to the line that they wouldn’t be swimming if the times are a little different?
I have a kid who easily makes JOs in one stroke and is close enough in others that if she really worked at it, she could make it in others. She wants to know what the cut times are for the other strokes, so she can see how close she is and where she might want to focus. But if they're going to be significantly faster/slower, she might prioritize differently. Was just trying to figure out if there's enough notice in the season that she would be able to pick and choose her focus areas.
Anonymous
05/09/2022 11:19
Subject: When are PVS qualifying times posted?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Doubtful those are easier than the 2019 times.
Why are so many of the posters focused on the 2019 times? The 2021 LC cut times are faster than the 2019 LC cut times (at least for the 12 and unders), so why would the 2019 times be the ones to look at as a goal?
Because 2019 was the last normal season. Since then, several meets have adjusted QTs or meet format to keep the # of athletes per session lower. As we return to normal, some think the best guess is the last normal season format.
I haven’t seen many meets return to easier cuts. Which ones?
JO for one. In 2021 it was the "wave 3" for the 14&U kids. This year it went back to similar to 2019 (or you can say 2020 since the cuts were released but the meet was cancelled). Summer LC for 14&U was a different format in 2021 than usual as well.
This is OP. What I'm trying to figure out is when JO cut times are posted. Is it going to be ... December? February? Wondering how much notice kids will have.
I thought it was Januaryish. But my memory might be off.
I’m confused why it really matters? Use the 2019 cuts as a baseline and then if they are a little different, then it is what it is. Is your kid so close to the line that they wouldn’t be swimming if the times are a little different?
I have a kid who easily makes JOs in one stroke and is close enough in others that if she really worked at it, she could make it in others. She wants to know what the cut times are for the other strokes, so she can see how close she is and where she might want to focus. But if they're going to be significantly faster/slower, she might prioritize differently. Was just trying to figure out if there's enough notice in the season that she would be able to pick and choose her focus areas.
Anonymous
05/09/2022 10:43
Subject: When are PVS qualifying times posted?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Doubtful those are easier than the 2019 times.
Why are so many of the posters focused on the 2019 times? The 2021 LC cut times are faster than the 2019 LC cut times (at least for the 12 and unders), so why would the 2019 times be the ones to look at as a goal?
Because 2019 was the last normal season. Since then, several meets have adjusted QTs or meet format to keep the # of athletes per session lower. As we return to normal, some think the best guess is the last normal season format.
I haven’t seen many meets return to easier cuts. Which ones?
JO for one. In 2021 it was the "wave 3" for the 14&U kids. This year it went back to similar to 2019 (or you can say 2020 since the cuts were released but the meet was cancelled). Summer LC for 14&U was a different format in 2021 than usual as well.
This is OP. What I'm trying to figure out is when JO cut times are posted. Is it going to be ... December? February? Wondering how much notice kids will have.
I thought it was Januaryish. But my memory might be off.
I’m confused why it really matters? Use the 2019 cuts as a baseline and then if they are a little different, then it is what it is. Is your kid so close to the line that they wouldn’t be swimming if the times are a little different?
Anonymous
05/09/2022 10:37
Subject: When are PVS qualifying times posted?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Doubtful those are easier than the 2019 times.
Why are so many of the posters focused on the 2019 times? The 2021 LC cut times are faster than the 2019 LC cut times (at least for the 12 and unders), so why would the 2019 times be the ones to look at as a goal?
Because 2019 was the last normal season. Since then, several meets have adjusted QTs or meet format to keep the # of athletes per session lower. As we return to normal, some think the best guess is the last normal season format.
I haven’t seen many meets return to easier cuts. Which ones?
JO for one. In 2021 it was the "wave 3" for the 14&U kids. This year it went back to similar to 2019 (or you can say 2020 since the cuts were released but the meet was cancelled). Summer LC for 14&U was a different format in 2021 than usual as well.
This is OP. What I'm trying to figure out is when JO cut times are posted. Is it going to be ... December? February? Wondering how much notice kids will have.
For March 2023? Hopefully they are available early in the season (October?) because coaches need to know how to strategize meet entries throughout the season. Last year's were "updated 12/17/21" but there's no way to tell if they were posted before then, and I would guess that is later than typical. I don't remember ever being concerned they weren't posted that late.
From meeting minutes re: 2022 JOs
JO’s was slightly smaller than in recent years, but it is probably about the right size for this year in terms of deck crowding, timelines, etc
So, if they want to increase numbers a bit, they may make the cuts a little slower than 2022 cuts. And I think you can use 2022 times as safe goal times (Unlikely to be significantly faster)
http://pvswim.org/2122meet/22-jo-qualifying-times.pdf