Anonymous wrote:I’m finding these stories to be fascinating. I wish I had the guts to do something like this.

Well, at least one person who’s been boasting about this may have gotten caught: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1108229.page

If you do it, you have to accept the very real possibility of losing both jobs. Some people are ok with that risk.

I’m finding these stories to be fascinating. I wish I had the guts to do something like this.

Everyone has been doing this for at least 2 years. I briefly had 3 jobs, but quit one so I could spend more time with my kids after elementary school pickup. Both pay high $100k base, so with bonus it comes out to just short of $500k (at least it did last year, I guess we'll see what happens with layoffs). Honestly, I'm working less now than when I commuted into the city for one job, and it's been a great QOL with extra money for vacations/529 saving, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:This will come out in background investigations.

Honest question - how? Sure, if you’re going for a security clearance or government job you are legally required to list all jobs in a relevant time period.

But a private company background check….how would they know? They will go off whatever is on your resume.

I’m more and more convinced that keeping a verbose LinkedIn profile is a terrible idea.

No, they definitely don't care about your resume. When you provide them with all of your background info (last seven years lived etc.) they will pull all information on employers. This is usually after they have offered you a position and ask you if you will have anything come up that they should know about in the background check. Now, not all jobs will care but they will definitely see all of the jobs you were employed by and all schools you went to and will check if you got a degree from that school.

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Anonymous wrote:Friend does this and I find it highly unethical
It requires a lot of lying when meetings overlap.
If the jobs are more task oriented and it can be done, okay, but deception is a deal breaker for me

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh why is it unethical? Are they doing the job well and delivering? That’s all that matters.

Is it unethical for CEOs to sit on board of directors of multiple companies? So why is it unethical for people to work two jobs and are able to do well in both?

It is a part of a CEOs job to make connections across companies and sit on other boards. It increases the company's profile.

So why can’t employees do the same and increase their bank account? Not to mention, increased skills?

But CEOs are not attending board meetings at the same time. That's the pronoun folks have with 2x jobs. You're not supposed to be working 2 jobs at the same time. If i have any down time on my job, I network or read trade publications. I come up with pitches. That down time is still spent for the benefit of your job.

Having two jobs I have great overlap of knowledge. for instance J2 rolled out Jira this week I already use jira J1. Happens a lot. For instance we may start Sox one company we already did Sox other company. Often it is same topics. Nothing trade secrets but I am up on topics asap.

I do same exact job title at two different companies

But are you using the Jira documentation you created for J1 at J2 so that gives you more time for J3, and Js 1-3 are happening at the same time, i.e. the same 8 hour chunk of day? If so that's messed up

No confidential info shared. No sharing of laptops. It is similar when I was in big 4 I do similar projects at same companies. It is called synergy. And in my case have nothing to do with Jira roll out. Just a ticketing tool to be used firm wide. Just I am already familiar with it.

If companies paid fairly, promoted regularly, has equal benefits and did not claw back invested stock this would happen less. It is no different than a dual income WFH couple. They each have access to each others info and cover one another.

What desk do you use for the multiple laptops and monitors?

I don’t use monitors. I just have two laptops on desk. Too lazy today be plugging in and out monitors. Plus I use my phone to respond with slack and gmail J1 as it beeps. so only need j2 laptop open

What jobs do you do that don't have deadlines and where people don't expect you to jump in and where nobody is asking about your progress?

Jobs where I have no day to day boss. I don’t even ask to take off as no one to ask one job.

What are those "jobs" where there is no boss or anyone to ask you about your progress or approve your time? Who hires you? Even if you are a contractor you are reporting to someone and put under somebody's branch in the corporate tree.

Someone you roll up to may not be your day-to-day manager obviously, but you would always have someone whose project or a gig or a job you are working on. If you aren't doing project work, then you are likely doing BAU and maybe support functions, but then someone must be responsible for this system/processes you are running.

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Anonymous wrote:Friend does this and I find it highly unethical
It requires a lot of lying when meetings overlap.
If the jobs are more task oriented and it can be done, okay, but deception is a deal breaker for me

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh why is it unethical? Are they doing the job well and delivering? That’s all that matters.

Is it unethical for CEOs to sit on board of directors of multiple companies? So why is it unethical for people to work two jobs and are able to do well in both?

It is a part of a CEOs job to make connections across companies and sit on other boards. It increases the company's profile.

So why can’t employees do the same and increase their bank account? Not to mention, increased skills?

But CEOs are not attending board meetings at the same time. That's the pronoun folks have with 2x jobs. You're not supposed to be working 2 jobs at the same time. If i have any down time on my job, I network or read trade publications. I come up with pitches. That down time is still spent for the benefit of your job.

Having two jobs I have great overlap of knowledge. for instance J2 rolled out Jira this week I already use jira J1. Happens a lot. For instance we may start Sox one company we already did Sox other company. Often it is same topics. Nothing trade secrets but I am up on topics asap.

I do same exact job title at two different companies

But are you using the Jira documentation you created for J1 at J2 so that gives you more time for J3, and Js 1-3 are happening at the same time, i.e. the same 8 hour chunk of day? If so that's messed up

No confidential info shared. No sharing of laptops. It is similar when I was in big 4 I do similar projects at same companies. It is called synergy. And in my case have nothing to do with Jira roll out. Just a ticketing tool to be used firm wide. Just I am already familiar with it.

If companies paid fairly, promoted regularly, has equal benefits and did not claw back invested stock this would happen less. It is no different than a dual income WFH couple. They each have access to each others info and cover one another.

What desk do you use for the multiple laptops and monitors?

I don’t use monitors. I just have two laptops on desk. Too lazy today be plugging in and out monitors. Plus I use my phone to respond with slack and gmail J1 as it beeps. so only need j2 laptop open

What jobs do you do that don't have deadlines and where people don't expect you to jump in and where nobody is asking about your progress?

Jobs where I have no day to day boss. I don’t even ask to take off as no one to ask one job.

What are those "jobs" where there is no boss or anyone to ask you about your progress or approve your time? Who hires you? Even if you are a contractor you are reporting to someone and put under somebody's branch in the corporate tree.

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Anonymous wrote:Friend does this and I find it highly unethical
It requires a lot of lying when meetings overlap.
If the jobs are more task oriented and it can be done, okay, but deception is a deal breaker for me

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh why is it unethical? Are they doing the job well and delivering? That’s all that matters.

Is it unethical for CEOs to sit on board of directors of multiple companies? So why is it unethical for people to work two jobs and are able to do well in both?

It is a part of a CEOs job to make connections across companies and sit on other boards. It increases the company's profile.

So why can’t employees do the same and increase their bank account? Not to mention, increased skills?

But CEOs are not attending board meetings at the same time. That's the pronoun folks have with 2x jobs. You're not supposed to be working 2 jobs at the same time. If i have any down time on my job, I network or read trade publications. I come up with pitches. That down time is still spent for the benefit of your job.

Having two jobs I have great overlap of knowledge. for instance J2 rolled out Jira this week I already use jira J1. Happens a lot. For instance we may start Sox one company we already did Sox other company. Often it is same topics. Nothing trade secrets but I am up on topics asap.

I do same exact job title at two different companies

But are you using the Jira documentation you created for J1 at J2 so that gives you more time for J3, and Js 1-3 are happening at the same time, i.e. the same 8 hour chunk of day? If so that's messed up

No confidential info shared. No sharing of laptops. It is similar when I was in big 4 I do similar projects at same companies. It is called synergy. And in my case have nothing to do with Jira roll out. Just a ticketing tool to be used firm wide. Just I am already familiar with it.

If companies paid fairly, promoted regularly, has equal benefits and did not claw back invested stock this would happen less. It is no different than a dual income WFH couple. They each have access to each others info and cover one another.

What desk do you use for the multiple laptops and monitors?

I don’t use monitors. I just have two laptops on desk. Too lazy today be plugging in and out monitors. Plus I use my phone to respond with slack and gmail J1 as it beeps. so only need j2 laptop open

What jobs do you do that don't have deadlines and where people don't expect you to jump in and where nobody is asking about your progress?

Jobs where I have no day to day boss. I don’t even ask to take off as no one to ask one job.

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Anonymous wrote:This will come out in background investigations.

Sorry Boomer. They check what you tell them. My resume lists J1 which I never quit. J2 not even on it or my LinkedIn profile and I froze my TWN with Equifax.

When I get J3 I may quit J2 but J1 I quiet quit in Spring 2022 and just doing “rest and vest”. My old RSUs and options vest away.

Tech jobs we get sign one that vest over 48 months. As long as make it past probation and the first year to hit first cliff. You then go to J2. Now you try for double vesting.

Now even my “double trigger” options IPO I be buying my Bentley Suckas

Were you successful in securing an overseas tech worker to subcontract your job responsibilities out to?

I actually found ”creative” ways to get work done. One job I just staffed up. I got a new staff starting today. I just turned my role into budgeting, reviews, Exec meetings, status updates, signing off work, kick off meetings but no deliverables. I can do admin stuff 24/7. Like today at 7 am approved a T&E and a goal setting while having coffee.

Other job no staff went route of doing bare minimum work. I have “two” bosses in “”two” different countries. I have a big network so I can get stuff done that should take 3-4 weeks in a day or two. That job I hope they package me out. I am in a dream situation. In Feb they are going to lay off maybe low performers. If not laid off I get March bonus. Either way I am quitting or laid off soon. I got a crypto start up that may want me. They need people but folks like afraid. I am not as I have another gig. Crypto I could do in my sleep. I will just say no to everything. CYA

My secret goal is to do a double in person business trip.

Are you an employee or an independent contractor? It makes a big difference. An employee cannot legally have a person not vetted and hired by the employer doing the employer's work. I doing so, you are violating all kinds of laws.

If you are an independent contractor, you are in essence running your own business, so as long as you comply with the contract you entered into with your clients, you are fine.

So what are you?

What are you talking about. I am a Full Time Employee at two different places. One I have staff. The other I don’t have staff. The one no staff I just have a deliverables. I have zero daily work. I have to do meetings but I can do then whenever.

With staff job I can get a request and if busy my staff can help. The one no staff I know everyone. I can shoot out to compliance, legal, ops, tech, audit, finance etc. requests at anytime. Slack, Jira, gmail, Confluence, automated dashboards, query tools means you can get or send info 24/7. My new one I used dictation function a lot now in meetings. I transcribe and send it to me. I can read 5,000 WPM so I can get a 60 minute update meeting done in 2-3 minutes. Also let’s me pop on and out as have ADHD. I can see what I missed.

I actually work at three companies. My one job has three main businesses I work for two of then dual hatted.

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Anonymous wrote:Friend does this and I find it highly unethical
It requires a lot of lying when meetings overlap.
If the jobs are more task oriented and it can be done, okay, but deception is a deal breaker for me

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh why is it unethical? Are they doing the job well and delivering? That’s all that matters.

Is it unethical for CEOs to sit on board of directors of multiple companies? So why is it unethical for people to work two jobs and are able to do well in both?

It is a part of a CEOs job to make connections across companies and sit on other boards. It increases the company's profile.

So why can’t employees do the same and increase their bank account? Not to mention, increased skills?

But CEOs are not attending board meetings at the same time. That's the pronoun folks have with 2x jobs. You're not supposed to be working 2 jobs at the same time. If i have any down time on my job, I network or read trade publications. I come up with pitches. That down time is still spent for the benefit of your job.

Having two jobs I have great overlap of knowledge. for instance J2 rolled out Jira this week I already use jira J1. Happens a lot. For instance we may start Sox one company we already did Sox other company. Often it is same topics. Nothing trade secrets but I am up on topics asap.

I do same exact job title at two different companies

But are you using the Jira documentation you created for J1 at J2 so that gives you more time for J3, and Js 1-3 are happening at the same time, i.e. the same 8 hour chunk of day? If so that's messed up

No confidential info shared. No sharing of laptops. It is similar when I was in big 4 I do similar projects at same companies. It is called synergy. And in my case have nothing to do with Jira roll out. Just a ticketing tool to be used firm wide. Just I am already familiar with it.

If companies paid fairly, promoted regularly, has equal benefits and did not claw back invested stock this would happen less. It is no different than a dual income WFH couple. They each have access to each others info and cover one another.

What desk do you use for the multiple laptops and monitors?

I don’t use monitors. I just have two laptops on desk. Too lazy today be plugging in and out monitors. Plus I use my phone to respond with slack and gmail J1 as it beeps. so only need j2 laptop open

What jobs do you do that don't have deadlines and where people don't expect you to jump in and where nobody is asking about your progress?

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Anonymous wrote:Of course this isn't allowed. Wait until they audit you and you have to pay back your salary. This is a reason why WFH doesn't work and everyone is back in the office

Who is this "they"? There's no such thing as employer audit. I'm a fed and a lot of my coworkers have 2nd jobs but in unrelated fields (real estate, clothes making, etsy stores, couple counseling, sports coaching, tutoring, bartending etc.). As long as you don't work the same hours and there is no conflict of interest, go for it.

Same hours is a myth. Exempt employees don’t do time cards.

Yes they do in some fields. Namely ones that care about billable hours.

Sucks that you went to law school. Talent in the tech sector absolutely getting paid from 2 jobs right now. Rarely are our hours defined and current tech sector philosophies allow for people to be unavailable at random times for "creativity" or whatever. There is technically nothing wrong with working 2 jobs at the same time when both only expect you to put in 40 hours.

"Rarely are our hours defined" - they are not defined for a reason, so that you could work 24-7 if needed and with different time zones. Working across time zones is very common in tech space. But this doesn't imply you can get away working 2 hours a day like it's insinuated here.

"allow for people to be unavailable at random times for "creativity" or whatever" - In the recent years everyone is on some sort of chat software (Teams, Slack, etc), so it's ok if you don't answer right away as people usually just ping you instead of calling or emailing. But you will be questioned if you aren't available to answer or if you answer (using your phone), but cannot provide full answer or jump on a call because you are away from your computer. It's the same thing as not being at your desk at all times, people assume you are in a meeting at some conference room or in the bathroom, or getting a break. Nobody was ever chained to a desk in an old "cube-world" either. But if you are consistently gone it will be noticed regardless if you are in person or remote.

"both only expect you to put in 40 hours" - correct, and they usually allocate your time to make sure you are occupied full time. Are you saying that you work 80 hour weeks pulling in your weight at both companies? Maybe some people do this, I used to when I was young. And with performance drugs these days.. most kids seem to be on ADHD meds, maybe this helps to pull long days and hyperfocus and get stuff done quicker, IDK. In this case go ahead and milk it. Nobody would say it's illegal or unethical to work 2 jobs. People are against those who double-dip make the employers pay for the hours not worked because they are worked at another job.

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Anonymous wrote:Meaningful long-term career advancement is what I'd worry about. If you are fine being mid-level and want to maximize current income, it isn't a terrible idea to work 2 jobs if you can do both fairly well.

Except I have two really good jobs. One job is like a FAANG type job as Head of Dept. I interviewed last week for a 400k and a 280k job. If I land one will add the J3. If I get both will add both. There are folks in IT with up to 10 jobs.

Sorry you Gen X and Boomer folks are fat and lazy and think pickle ball and golf is cool

And jobs that pay 400K and 280K remotely would expect you to do close to nothing, right? Or will you time travel to attend all the meetings and meet all your goals you are hounded to setup. Tell me how I can get ONE job where I can work part time and get 280K, I would love to only work 20 hour weeks, should be doable in your universe. No, really. I have good skills and had been working for 30 years, help me out, I need a PT job paying 250K.

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Anonymous wrote:Isn't this illegal?

Why would it be illegal? Most employers don't care about micro-managing employees' time. As long as you are productive and do the work that is expected from you, and do it well, they don't care about how many hours you actually work, how many coffee breaks you took.
These employers are even introducing "unlimited time-off". The message is that as long as you do the job we expect you to do, you can take as many days off as you want.
Their concerns is your production. As long as you remain productive, they won't care that you have 2 or 3 jobs.

You are either a fraud or extremely lucky. I had never had a gig or a job where employer didn't care about trying to utilize every free hour I have and make sure I have no downtime. Most people are expected to work more than one project and often help with other responsibilities. While so "many of you" posting here are saying how laid back your jobs are and how very little you get away with doing, I noticed the opposite. Most companies want you to do more than one job for one salary or hourly rate. Even if you are a contractor they will try to allocate you to things you don't normally do or squeeze in additional duties.

If your client/employer is using Agile then timelines move fast, and the moment you are done you are allocated to something else. If you are splitting time between projects, the moment one is expected to ramp down pressure increases on another one. You are constantly asked what you are working on, there are regular status meetings (at least weekly for slow moving projects and daily for fast moving ones). Managers are trained to push people who do actual work to accept aggressive timelines, and if you try to ask for more time so that you can have some "padding" you can expect them telling you how long each task should take. I had one manager tell me "this is only something that should take 15 min" and it ends up being a day-long thing. I do not know another reality where your workload is so light that you can work several other jobs and where your client/employer/manager doesn't care how fast you work and how busy you are. If anything, overtime is more common than sitting idle.

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Anonymous wrote:Friend does this and I find it highly unethical
It requires a lot of lying when meetings overlap.
If the jobs are more task oriented and it can be done, okay, but deception is a deal breaker for me

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh why is it unethical? Are they doing the job well and delivering? That’s all that matters.

Is it unethical for CEOs to sit on board of directors of multiple companies? So why is it unethical for people to work two jobs and are able to do well in both?

It is a part of a CEOs job to make connections across companies and sit on other boards. It increases the company's profile.

So why can’t employees do the same and increase their bank account? Not to mention, increased skills?

But CEOs are not attending board meetings at the same time. That's the pronoun folks have with 2x jobs. You're not supposed to be working 2 jobs at the same time. If i have any down time on my job, I network or read trade publications. I come up with pitches. That down time is still spent for the benefit of your job.

Having two jobs I have great overlap of knowledge. for instance J2 rolled out Jira this week I already use jira J1. Happens a lot. For instance we may start Sox one company we already did Sox other company. Often it is same topics. Nothing trade secrets but I am up on topics asap.

I do same exact job title at two different companies

But are you using the Jira documentation you created for J1 at J2 so that gives you more time for J3, and Js 1-3 are happening at the same time, i.e. the same 8 hour chunk of day? If so that's messed up

No confidential info shared. No sharing of laptops. It is similar when I was in big 4 I do similar projects at same companies. It is called synergy. And in my case have nothing to do with Jira roll out. Just a ticketing tool to be used firm wide. Just I am already familiar with it.

If companies paid fairly, promoted regularly, has equal benefits and did not claw back invested stock this would happen less. It is no different than a dual income WFH couple. They each have access to each others info and cover one another.

There is a huge difference between being an independent contractor with lots of clients (you get multiple I-9s), working for one entity on projects for multiple clients (you get one w-2 from your one employer, who bills and is paid for by all the clients you work on), and being an employee of multiple entities who do not know you are also someone else's employee sharing your work product which legally belongs to the employer and is not yours to reuse with other employers.

If you are getting I-9s, you are fine. If you are getting one W-2, you are fine. If you are getting multiple W2s, that is a problem, especially if you are getting paid to produce work for one employer and then sharing that work across other employers. That is not OK.

^^1099s, not I-9s (but if you are hiring people to do your job, you better be checking those too and paying the employer side of their taxes!)

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Sorry Boomer. They check what you tell them. My resume lists J1 which I never quit. J2 not even on it or my LinkedIn profile and I froze my TWN with Equifax.

When I get J3 I may quit J2 but J1 I quiet quit in Spring 2022 and just doing “rest and vest”. My old RSUs and options vest away.

Tech jobs we get sign one that vest over 48 months. As long as make it past probation and the first year to hit first cliff. You then go to J2. Now you try for double vesting.

Now even my “double trigger” options IPO I be buying my Bentley Suckas

Were you successful in securing an overseas tech worker to subcontract your job responsibilities out to?

I actually found ”creative” ways to get work done. One job I just staffed up. I got a new staff starting today. I just turned my role into budgeting, reviews, Exec meetings, status updates, signing off work, kick off meetings but no deliverables. I can do admin stuff 24/7. Like today at 7 am approved a T&E and a goal setting while having coffee.

Other job no staff went route of doing bare minimum work. I have “two” bosses in “”two” different countries. I have a big network so I can get stuff done that should take 3-4 weeks in a day or two. That job I hope they package me out. I am in a dream situation. In Feb they are going to lay off maybe low performers. If not laid off I get March bonus. Either way I am quitting or laid off soon. I got a crypto start up that may want me. They need people but folks like afraid. I am not as I have another gig. Crypto I could do in my sleep. I will just say no to everything. CYA

My secret goal is to do a double in person business trip.

Are you an employee or an independent contractor? It makes a big difference. An employee cannot legally have a person not vetted and hired by the employer doing the employer's work. I doing so, you are violating all kinds of laws.

If you are an independent contractor, you are in essence running your own business, so as long as you comply with the contract you entered into with your clients, you are fine.

So what are you?

Most tech workers do this.

DH is a data architect at his main job with his main employer, think a big company like AWS, Google, etc.

He's a 1099 worker at several smaller tech companies. He does different jobs at each of them. Maintenance at one, dev work at another, etc.

As long as he's not using any resources from his main job to do the others, it's fine. Yes, his boss knows. And his boss has several other jobs, too. Like I said, most in tech do. His 1099 jobs are done on his personal PC or in one case, on the PC they issued to him.

I don't think he could work two big tech jobs at once, like working at AWS and Google. There's no way he could keep up with those kinds of demands. But having 1 big job and a few smaller jobs has been easy. He's had no overlap conflicts or missed deadlines.

I work in finance. Things are so automated now that at certain points during the month, I have so much downtime. I volunteer with a local rescue group and do their finances (free, volunteer work). I also do the accounting for a few friends who own their own small businesses (these are paid jobs). AGain, everything is kept separate. I have my work laptop and pc, and my own personal laptop that I use for the volunteer work and the other jobs I do. I bring nothing from my main job to the other jobs except my knowledge.

I consider having multiple jobs as passive income, at least in my case.

DH and I are both technically millennials, but older millennials (born in '82 & '83).