Anonymous
10/30/2014 12:16
Subject: The subtle micro aggressions of islamophobia
PP, never mind. It's the Wahhabi thing, they'd takfirize anyone if the eye color is wrong.
Anonymous
10/30/2014 11:03
Subject: Re:The subtle micro aggressions of islamophobia
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:NP here. How is PP calling one Muslim an unhinged chick--not for her religion, but for her argument style--an act of insulting Muslims (collectively)?
This PP has repeatedly said she is not anti-Muslim. She is married to a Muslim and the mother to one so the weight of the evidence is in her favor on this. She has many disagreements, however, with various Islamic teachings. That does not make her anti-Muslim and that does not make her an Islamaphobe.
Quite the contrary. Her husband is secular. She hates Islam. Her husbands family pressures her to convert and she resists because she hates Islam. Now shes on DCUM calling one of only two Muslims writing here an unhinged chick. I would say my being Muslim has something to do with her insult.
Ok--so now I am confused.
PP is married to a Muslim but because you have decided (not sure on what basis) that he is a secular Muslim, being married to him does not count as showing her non anti-Muslim bona fides?
I also have no idea on what basis you have decided that her husband's family has pressured her to convert; as far as I recall, the PP in question has never said this. She has said, she would never convert to Islam because she disagrees with many of the teachings.
Disagreement with teachings does NOT equate to hate, a point this PP and others have made repeatedly but you seem very stuck on the equation disagreement with Islamic teachings=hate of Islam.
The evidence about PP's husband is seculra is that he mocked an Islamic "scholar" on a call in radio show for telling a caller she couldn't undress in front of male jinn. Laughing about that shows he loves Islam enough to not want see it debased and has a sense of humor about it.
Anonymous
10/30/2014 10:32
Subject: The subtle micro aggressions of islamophobia
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Actually I do believe thats a generic picture. But the comment was meant to insult her for wearing it. In this society, even Muslims have great respect for nuns who also wear head coverings. I can not understand why any Muslim should be insulted or mocked for wearing hers.
All of these threads have similar insults or mockery, though. Disagreement is totally fine, insults are a different matter, such as when the poster said inheritance laws treat muslim women like children or tries to show that apostasy punishment laws are barbaric (all the while ignoring that Islam does not punish apostasy with death). The hundreds of posts are designed to malign, portray Islam as a truly evil religion. Even a simple comment saying Muslims believe in Jesus is met with a hostile reaction that we are misleading people.
I think I'll leave it up to the media now.
I don't think it's an insult to say that Muslim inheritance laws or divorce laws treat women like children.
Muslims do not believe in the same Jesus. It's misleading to say that they do.
As I said, you may think you're getting major points for your gheera toward Islam, but it ain't here.
I'm not sure I agree. I am one of the nonMuslim posters.
I think saying Islam's inheritance laws treat women as children is a bit inflammatory. I also give Islam a lot of credit for actually treating women much better in inheritance than other legal systems for centuries. I regret, however, that times have moved on and Islam has not found a way to move with them on this issue.
I also think saying Muslims do not believe in the same Jesus is perhaps a bit simplistic. I think they believe in the same historical Jesus, as do many Jews (although not all as some don't think there was a historical Jesus). The Islamic view of the roles of Jesus and the meaning of his life here on earth, however, is quite different.
Anonymous
10/30/2014 10:25
Subject: Re:The subtle micro aggressions of islamophobia
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:NP here. How is PP calling one Muslim an unhinged chick--not for her religion, but for her argument style--an act of insulting Muslims (collectively)?
This PP has repeatedly said she is not anti-Muslim. She is married to a Muslim and the mother to one so the weight of the evidence is in her favor on this. She has many disagreements, however, with various Islamic teachings. That does not make her anti-Muslim and that does not make her an Islamaphobe.
Quite the contrary. Her husband is secular. She hates Islam. Her husbands family pressures her to convert and she resists because she hates Islam. Now shes on DCUM calling one of only two Muslims writing here an unhinged chick. I would say my being Muslim has something to do with her insult.
Ok--so now I am confused.
PP is married to a Muslim but because you have decided (not sure on what basis) that he is a secular Muslim, being married to him does not count as showing her non anti-Muslim bona fides?
I also have no idea on what basis you have decided that her husband's family has pressured her to convert; as far as I recall, the PP in question has never said this. She has said, she would never convert to Islam because she disagrees with many of the teachings.
Disagreement with teachings does NOT equate to hate, a point this PP and others have made repeatedly but you seem very stuck on the equation disagreement with Islamic teachings=hate of Islam.
Anonymous
10/30/2014 10:04
Subject: The subtle micro aggressions of islamophobia
Anonymous wrote:
Actually I do believe thats a generic picture. But the comment was meant to insult her for wearing it. In this society, even Muslims have great respect for nuns who also wear head coverings. I can not understand why any Muslim should be insulted or mocked for wearing hers.
All of these threads have similar insults or mockery, though. Disagreement is totally fine, insults are a different matter, such as when the poster said inheritance laws treat muslim women like children or tries to show that apostasy punishment laws are barbaric (all the while ignoring that Islam does not punish apostasy with death). The hundreds of posts are designed to malign, portray Islam as a truly evil religion. Even a simple comment saying Muslims believe in Jesus is met with a hostile reaction that we are misleading people.
I think I'll leave it up to the media now.
I don't think it's an insult to say that Muslim inheritance laws or divorce laws treat women like children.
Muslims do not believe in the same Jesus. It's misleading to say that they do.
As I said, you may think you're getting major points for your gheera toward Islam, but it ain't here.
Anonymous
10/30/2014 10:02
Subject: The subtle micro aggressions of islamophobia
Anonymous wrote:Nah. If I was afraid of the insults I slew back, would I have contacted the media outlets in the first place? There is so much hostility toward Muslims in this country and thats what is making the news today, not the angry reaction of one Muslim to the hostile mob of the predominant faith.
The interns will likely go through all the threads, mine included. They will see my insults came as a reaction to the insult about Muslima's hijab. They will also see my apology. So I'm fine with them seeing everything.
You have no clue - none whatsoever - about the faith of people who "insulted", i.e. disagreed with you. If any! That's just you making things up again. Just call them evangelicalcrusaderchristians, and be done with it. It went down so well the first time.
Anonymous
10/30/2014 10:00
Subject: The subtle micro aggressions of islamophobia
Anonymous wrote:
The post asking Muslima to show a pic WITH her veil (my typo before) is there. Don't tempt me to repost it. In fact, this was one of the screen shots I submitted to CAIR and media outlets. The one media outlet I spoke to today will be receiving many similar posts to use as the basis of an article on islamophobia.
So you admit you made a typo? But not before you did a fair bit of frothing at the mouth that someone asked a Muslim woman to post a picture of herself WITHOUT a veil (major insult). Only when someone reminded you it was WITH a veil you backtracked?
Anonymous wrote:
If there is one thing I do not do, its lying. As a Muslim, I can not lie!!!
Muslims do lots of things. Being Muslim is not a immunity from anything.
Anonymous wrote:
The point about conversion was a post clearly addressed to Muslima. It happens to be posted on a public forum though. That doesn't mean I owe you my explanation for it. It was a direct, if not private, conversation. The only reason you hang onto that point and wish to revisit it again and again like a rabid dog out for flesh is because this is about winning an argument for you and it is the only point you think will bring you that win.
When you address something to one poster and one poster only, you should do it in a private message. Anything posted in a public forum is fair game for challenging. You don't owe me an explanation, that's correct. But I don't owe you not noticing it. I keep bringing that point up because that's where your ignorance shines the brightest. If you post an obvious falsehood in public, what grounds do you have to complain that people notice?
Anonymous
10/30/2014 09:54
Subject: Re:The subtle micro aggressions of islamophobia
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:NP here. How is PP calling one Muslim an unhinged chick--not for her religion, but for her argument style--an act of insulting Muslims (collectively)?
This PP has repeatedly said she is not anti-Muslim. She is married to a Muslim and the mother to one so the weight of the evidence is in her favor on this. She has many disagreements, however, with various Islamic teachings. That does not make her anti-Muslim and that does not make her an Islamaphobe.
Quite the contrary. Her husband is secular. She hates Islam. Her husbands family pressures her to convert and she resists because she hates Islam. Now shes on DCUM calling one of only two Muslims writing here an unhinged chick. I would say my being Muslim has something to do with her insult.
That's quite a little story you concocted here - much like your picture of caravans of single women with four kids in tow headed to Mecca?
Anonymous
10/30/2014 09:38
Subject: The subtle micro aggressions of islamophobia
Nah. If I was afraid of the insults I slew back, would I have contacted the media outlets in the first place? There is so much hostility toward Muslims in this country and thats what is making the news today, not the angry reaction of one Muslim to the hostile mob of the predominant faith.
The interns will likely go through all the threads, mine included. They will see my insults came as a reaction to the insult about Muslima's hijab. They will also see my apology. So I'm fine with them seeing everything.
The interns will likely go through all the threads, mine included. They will see my insults came as a reaction to the insult about Muslima's hijab. They will also see my apology. So I'm fine with them seeing everything.
Anonymous
10/30/2014 08:42
Subject: The subtle micro aggressions of islamophobia
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
The post asking Muslima to show a pic WITH her veil (my typo before) is there. Don't tempt me to repost it. In fact, this was one of the screen shots I submitted to CAIR and media outlets. The one media outlet I spoke to today will be receiving many similar posts to use as the basis of an article on islamophobia.
If there is one thing I do not do, its lying. As a Muslim, I can not lie!!!
The point about conversion was a post clearly addressed to Muslima. It happens to be posted on a public forum though. That doesn't mean I owe you my explanation for it. It was a direct, if not private, conversation. The only reason you hang onto that point and wish to revisit it again and again like a rabid dog out for flesh is because this is about winning an argument for you and it is the only point you think will bring you that win.
I'm not the poster you're attacking. For the record, I didn't make the comment about Muslima and her veil, and I don't think the poster you're attacking made it either.
There's an obvious problem with your accusation: Muslima's posts already have her pic in her veil. Yes, every single one of her posts always carries both her name and a pic of herself in her veil. Or, perhaps its a generic woman in a veil, but I'm sure many assume it's Muslima herself. So it's illogical for you to claim that somebody was asking her to post such a pic, especially against her will.
As I recall, the comment you object to didn't ask for a picture. Instead it suggested a reason why she posted her picture, namely, to garner sympathy.
Please, do carry through on your threat and post the comment about Muslima and her veil. Then we can clear this up. I'm sure I'm right.
Actually I do believe thats a generic picture. But the comment was meant to insult her for wearing it. In this society, even Muslims have great respect for nuns who also wear head coverings. I can not understand why any Muslim should be insulted or mocked for wearing hers.
All of these threads have similar insults or mockery, though. Disagreement is totally fine, insults are a different matter, such as when the poster said inheritance laws treat muslim women like children or tries to show that apostasy punishment laws are barbaric (all the while ignoring that Islam does not punish apostasy with death). The hundreds of posts are designed to malign, portray Islam as a truly evil religion. Even a simple comment saying Muslims believe in Jesus is met with a hostile reaction that we are misleading people.
I think I'll leave it up to the media now.
Let's review. You said:
1. Someone asked her to post a picture without the veil.
When that was called a lie, you said
2. Someone asked her to post a picture with the veil.
Now you say
3. The whole thing was intended to mock.
Your first "apology" consisted of you saying you were sorry for saying *all* western women have STDs, you thought you should have just directed that at the posters on the thread. After I questioned that, you made a second, complete apology.
I think your "media outlets" and everybody else should read the entire page at that link. They will see the picture in question. The will see the atheist, who is not me, responding with facts about women's divorce rights, and without any personal insults at all
M. The will see you and Muslima both insulting her, including but not limited to the STD riff. They will see the atheist, me and maybe another poster disagreeing with the poster who told Muslima that she's not American and she should stop posting. They will even see on that one page (and getting back to the point of this thread) a Muslim insisting that she was told to say Allah not God. It's all here on one page: http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/510/409978.page#5833715
Anonymous
10/30/2014 08:10
Subject: The subtle micro aggressions of islamophobia
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
The post asking Muslima to show a pic WITH her veil (my typo before) is there. Don't tempt me to repost it. In fact, this was one of the screen shots I submitted to CAIR and media outlets. The one media outlet I spoke to today will be receiving many similar posts to use as the basis of an article on islamophobia.
If there is one thing I do not do, its lying. As a Muslim, I can not lie!!!
The point about conversion was a post clearly addressed to Muslima. It happens to be posted on a public forum though. That doesn't mean I owe you my explanation for it. It was a direct, if not private, conversation. The only reason you hang onto that point and wish to revisit it again and again like a rabid dog out for flesh is because this is about winning an argument for you and it is the only point you think will bring you that win.
I'm not the poster you're attacking. For the record, I didn't make the comment about Muslima and her veil, and I don't think the poster you're attacking made it either.
There's an obvious problem with your accusation: Muslima's posts already have her pic in her veil. Yes, every single one of her posts always carries both her name and a pic of herself in her veil. Or, perhaps its a generic woman in a veil, but I'm sure many assume it's Muslima herself. So it's illogical for you to claim that somebody was asking her to post such a pic, especially against her will.
As I recall, the comment you object to didn't ask for a picture. Instead it suggested a reason why she posted her picture, namely, to garner sympathy.
Please, do carry through on your threat and post the comment about Muslima and her veil. Then we can clear this up. I'm sure I'm right.
Actually I do believe thats a generic picture. But the comment was meant to insult her for wearing it. In this society, even Muslims have great respect for nuns who also wear head coverings. I can not understand why any Muslim should be insulted or mocked for wearing hers.
All of these threads have similar insults or mockery, though. Disagreement is totally fine, insults are a different matter, such as when the poster said inheritance laws treat muslim women like children or tries to show that apostasy punishment laws are barbaric (all the while ignoring that Islam does not punish apostasy with death). The hundreds of posts are designed to malign, portray Islam as a truly evil religion. Even a simple comment saying Muslims believe in Jesus is met with a hostile reaction that we are misleading people.
I think I'll leave it up to the media now.
Anonymous
10/30/2014 03:17
Subject: The subtle micro aggressions of islamophobia
It's worth reading further down this link, on the same page at 1:07, here: http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/510/409978.page#5833715
Anonymous wrote:
Nasty here. I asked you to stop the mockery and insults, but you didn't.
So heres my reply to you asking Muslima to post a pic of herself in a veil to garner sympathy:
Post a pic of your last pap smear lab results showing your STD (HPV seems to be popular in western states) and maybe we Muslims will feel sorry for you too.
Anonymous
10/30/2014 02:43
Subject: The subtle micro aggressions of islamophobia
I found it. From the Islamophobia thread at 10/10/2014 @ 00:14, here http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/510/409978.page#5833715
As noted, this is not a request. It's a reference to the fact that Muslima's posts always have a picture of a veiled woman, perhaps herself. The picture of a veiled woman is already there.
Heaven knows what the mythical "interns" at the mythical "media outlet" are making of this, if in fact PP sent it anywhere. OP has been criticized so often for direct insults where she called people mini-skirted grannies with STDs, failed housewives on the verge of divorce and Christian-evangelical-crusader-Islamophobes. So now it appears she's going with empty threats.
Anonymous wrote:You see what this dingbat started? Who knows if it is a he or she or what country he or she is posting from.
Post a pic of yourself in a veil. Gain "some" western sympathy.
Then act like an ass and post diatribe after diatribe.right.
As noted, this is not a request. It's a reference to the fact that Muslima's posts always have a picture of a veiled woman, perhaps herself. The picture of a veiled woman is already there.
Heaven knows what the mythical "interns" at the mythical "media outlet" are making of this, if in fact PP sent it anywhere. OP has been criticized so often for direct insults where she called people mini-skirted grannies with STDs, failed housewives on the verge of divorce and Christian-evangelical-crusader-Islamophobes. So now it appears she's going with empty threats.
Anonymous
10/30/2014 02:13
Subject: The subtle micro aggressions of islamophobia
Anonymous wrote:
The post asking Muslima to show a pic WITH her veil (my typo before) is there. Don't tempt me to repost it. In fact, this was one of the screen shots I submitted to CAIR and media outlets. The one media outlet I spoke to today will be receiving many similar posts to use as the basis of an article on islamophobia.
If there is one thing I do not do, its lying. As a Muslim, I can not lie!!!
The point about conversion was a post clearly addressed to Muslima. It happens to be posted on a public forum though. That doesn't mean I owe you my explanation for it. It was a direct, if not private, conversation. The only reason you hang onto that point and wish to revisit it again and again like a rabid dog out for flesh is because this is about winning an argument for you and it is the only point you think will bring you that win.
I'm not the poster you're attacking. For the record, I didn't make the comment about Muslima and her veil, and I don't think the poster you're attacking made it either.
There's an obvious problem with your accusation: Muslima's posts already have her pic in her veil. Yes, every single one of her posts always carries both her name and a pic of herself in her veil. Or, perhaps its a generic woman in a veil, but I'm sure many assume it's Muslima herself. So it's illogical for you to claim that somebody was asking her to post such a pic, especially against her will.
As I recall, the comment you object to didn't ask for a picture. Instead it suggested a reason why she posted her picture, namely, to garner sympathy.
Please, do carry through on your threat and post the comment about Muslima and her veil. Then we can clear this up. I'm sure I'm right.
Anonymous
10/30/2014 01:00
Subject: The subtle micro aggressions of islamophobia
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
And here, especially at 14:11: http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/315/405354.page
OP, you clearly didn't bother to click on the links, which show you two calling people Islamophobes over differences of opinion or disagreement on facts. The 2nd link at 14:11 is particularly illustrative of how you two throw the term "Islamophobe" around just because someone quoted Muslima's favorite Muslim scholar to make a point you disagreed with. There are so many more examples like this, though, that you can't hide behind some guy who called Mohammed a pedophile one time a month ago. If I have some time tonight I'll dig up some more examples of you guys calling people Islamophobes for no obvious reason -- it shouldn't take long because there are so many examples.
So you think because I called you an islamophobe in 14:11 that means ONLY the comments you made in that post were islamophobic? The "Done with you!"
comment preceding it should have told you it was said in exasperation to many of your previous posts. I lost my cool after the hundreds of posts vilifying Islam. I apologized for inappropriate comments but I stand by the islamophobe comment. You are an islamophobe.
And btw, even Sheikh Hamza Yusuf said the Sharia has some mistakes and problems with it. I think he said it at the Oxford University lecture. So he refuted his "boss".< Gasp!>
Dig up everything you like. I will not be re-reading. The media outlet I spoke to today will probably assign interns to go through these threads, anyway, so no need for me to do it. Time for me to let it go and let them get to work on this.
Good day.