Be Wary of Racism and Islamophobes

[Anonymous]

Muslima wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Where the hell am I? Is this DC? I feel like I'm talking to a bunch of rednecks living in the back woods of Alabama. I am not Muslima, btw.

As a Muslim woman who lived in a Muslim country and who was very active in my local mosques, I have an understanding of how Muslim women think. You guys are ridiculous. You would be hard pressed to find Muslim women who would describe their lives as compared to men as anything other than just AND equal. In their eyes, justice = equality. In their eyes, separate rights does not necessarily mean inequality. A Muslim woman's idea of equality is having rights of equal value as compared to rights afforded to men. Separate rights may still have equal value.

Muslima explained this though she used the term equality. You guys knew full well what she was saying. You just enjoy bashing her because she was bold and proud to identify herself on an otherwise anonymous forum as a Muslim. This is bullying and you know it. Leave her alone and get off this rabid online bashing of a Muslim woman.

You aren't talking to Muslim women. You are talking to majority non-Muslim women.

Secondly, you don't speak for all Muslim women and you have no idea what the totality of them think. Have you met them all? Do you know what ALL of them think? You don't know what a Muslim woman's idea of equality is because there is no such thing as A Muslim Woman. There's women, millions of them, all with their own ideas that don't come out of your little factory.

I have met Muslim women who were distraught by the treatment of courts and judges who wouldn't grant them divorces from their abusive husbands, recommending lots of sabr instead.

I have met Muslim divorced women who kept their new relationships secret out of fear of losing custody of their children if they remarry.

I have met Muslim women and children, both small and grown, shattered by additional marriages their fathers and husbands chose to contract, sometimes in secret from the first families.

I have met Muslim women who had to bribe their drug addict husbands so that they would agree to khul separations.

I have met Muslim women angered by unilateral custody decisions that kept them away from their children, sanctioned by courts.

You don't speak for all Muslim women. You simply have no idea of the diversity of opinions and situations that exist for women in Muslim-majority countries.

You say in one breath, there is no such thing as a Muslim Woman ( thank you for letting me know I don't exist, i had no idea ) to saying in your next break "i have met many muslim women" , so you actually have met women who don't exist? since there is no such a thing as a muslim woman.... How ridiculous can this get???
I guess you are the one who speaks for Muslim women then since she can't and she has no idea of the diversity of opinions and situations that exist for women in Muslim-majority countries, according to you , Wowzeeee! Next time i hear about a Muslim woman in distress, i will make sure to call you at 1-800-anonymous so you can save her life since you have met all these women women who were so angered and abused and needed help. Do you work at a Muslim Women Abuse Anonymous hotline? Geez! You are dense! The other muslim poster and I must live under a rock since we were not aware of all these Islamic abuses done to Muslim women, what a wake up call!!!!!!

Its more like 1-800-GET-OBIG. One toothed, back woods, islamophobe gang.

[Muslima]

Anonymous wrote:

Muslima wrote:

You?? The Equality Poster again???? Muslim women and Men are Equal, let me repeat again, we are Equal. I've said it again more than twice, maybe we need 20 more pages to get you to understand what Equality means . While men and women have equal rights in Islam, the specific rights and responsibilities granted to them are not identical, nobody ever said they were. Men and women have complementary rights and responsibilities.And don't you dare telling me you have the monopoly on what equality is Western equality you say??? Do I need to remind you that it is the very lack of equality in the WEST, of women's Rights that birthed the feminist movement? Just a few years ago , yeh years, not centuries, Women did not have the right to vote in the US. They got that right in 1920 after fighting tooth and nails, a right that was granted to Muslim women like 1400 years ago. Women in the West did not have the right to own property, only their husbands could The women had to struggle, a lot in the West for acquiring these rights, which Islam had given to them centuries ago. Oh and women still struggle for equal pay So don't tell me about western equality as the de facto notion of women's equality. Puh-Leezzzz

Provide proof of Muslim women voting 1400 years ago. Actually, provide proof of anybody Muslim voting 1400 years ago. The majority of Muslim rulers throughout history have not been selected by voting, whether by males or females.

You need a dictionary to tell you what "equal" means. It doesn't mean what you think it does.

Google it, I don't have time to educate you. Or go to the library, turn left and look under "History of World Religions". If you can't go that far, ask the nice ladies at the front desk, they will be happy to show you what section you need to look under. Then, wear your glasses, sit down, take a long breath and start reading..... The so-called Muslim countries have had like what, over 8 Muslim women as Female head of states, and America is still waiting for Hillary so we can make history in 2014

[Muslima]

Anonymous wrote:

Muslima wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

You remind me of Humpty-Dumpty who said the word means whatever he wants it to mean. Equality doesn't mean whatever you need it to mean to work with your argument. That women and men are equal "in the eyes of Allah" doesn't mean they have equality.

Here is the gist of your argument: the set of rights and responsibilities granted to men ankd women under Shariah is complementary and they work together.

That's cool. That doesn't mean they are "equal". Your argument would be better served if you just said that the roles of men and women in Islam are different from the Western views, and that works for Muslims. Rather than argue that they are "equal", knowing full well that this isn't true, and that the West should agree with this interpretation. You're fighting a losing battle.

Thank you. I started to write exactly this: an effective argument would go something along the lines of, "Women and men have different roles in Islam than in the West, and Islamic laws reflect this. Muslims appreciate these rules, which create the Muslim society that they want to live in."

By contrast, when you simply say, "Women are treated equally under Islam," you're deliberately using the word "equally" in a way that you know is understood very differently by your listeners. That's why the accusations of deception. That's what provoked the 20 pages detailing the actual laws, which you complain so much about.

Where the hell am I? Is this DC? I feel like I'm talking to a bunch of rednecks living in the back woods of Alabama. I am not Muslima, btw.

As a Muslim woman who lived in a Muslim country and who was very active in my local mosques, I have an understanding of how Muslim women think. You guys are ridiculous. You would be hard pressed to find Muslim women who would describe their lives as compared to men as anything other than just AND equal. In their eyes, justice = equality. In their eyes, separate rights does not necessarily mean inequality. A Muslim woman's idea of equality is having rights of equal value as compared to rights afforded to men. Separate rights may still have equal value.

Muslima explained this though she used the term equality. You guys knew full well what she was saying. You just enjoy bashing her because she was bold and proud to identify herself on an otherwise anonymous forum as a Muslim. This is bullying and you know it. Leave her alone and get off this rabid online bashing of a Muslim woman.

Don't be ridiculous.

Muslima and you both understand very well that the word "equality" is commonly used in the West to mean equal treatment in all aspects of marriage and the law. Your feigned shock, that non-Muslims living in a secular country should understand how Muslims use the word "equal," is laughable. It's like expecting you to understand Christian or Jewish words that are freighted with particularly Christian and Jewish meanings.

Yes, we know you're not Muslima by the insults. You must by Abusive Muslim. We get it, your little conversion effort failed, and now you're po'd.

You?? The Equality Poster again???? Muslim women and Men are Equal, let me repeat again, we are Equal. I've said it again more than twice, maybe we need 20 more pages to get you to understand what Equality means . While men and women have equal rights in Islam, the specific rights and responsibilities granted to them are not identical, nobody ever said they were. Men and women have complementary rights and responsibilities.And don't you dare telling me you have the monopoly on what equality is Western equality you say??? Do I need to remind you that it is the very lack of equality in the WEST, of women's Rights that birthed the feminist movement? Just a few years ago , yeh years, not centuries, Women did not have the right to vote in the US. They got that right in 1920 after fighting tooth and nails, a right that was granted to Muslim women like 1400 years ago. Women in the West did not have the right to own property, only their husbands could The women had to struggle, a lot in the West for acquiring these rights, which Islam had given to them centuries ago. Oh and women still struggle for equal pay So don't tell me about western equality as the de facto notion of women's equality. Puh-Leezzzz

Muslima, you just crack me up!! You go, girl.

Seriously, the ignorance in some of these posts crack me up. I laugh and laugh and then realize that they might really believe what they are writing and then I get scared lol

[Anonymous]

Muslima wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Muslima wrote:

You?? The Equality Poster again???? Muslim women and Men are Equal, let me repeat again, we are Equal. I've said it again more than twice, maybe we need 20 more pages to get you to understand what Equality means . While men and women have equal rights in Islam, the specific rights and responsibilities granted to them are not identical, nobody ever said they were. Men and women have complementary rights and responsibilities.And don't you dare telling me you have the monopoly on what equality is Western equality you say??? Do I need to remind you that it is the very lack of equality in the WEST, of women's Rights that birthed the feminist movement? Just a few years ago , yeh years, not centuries, Women did not have the right to vote in the US. They got that right in 1920 after fighting tooth and nails, a right that was granted to Muslim women like 1400 years ago. Women in the West did not have the right to own property, only their husbands could The women had to struggle, a lot in the West for acquiring these rights, which Islam had given to them centuries ago. Oh and women still struggle for equal pay So don't tell me about western equality as the de facto notion of women's equality. Puh-Leezzzz

Provide proof of Muslim women voting 1400 years ago. Actually, provide proof of anybody Muslim voting 1400 years ago. The majority of Muslim rulers throughout history have not been selected by voting, whether by males or females.

As usual, I'm torn between letting the idiocy of your non-answers and crude insults speak for themselves, and the alternative of hitting "quote" to point out that you obviously have no answer to PO's request that you prove your assertion that Islam granted voting rights to women 1400 years ago.



You need a dictionary to tell you what "equal" means. It doesn't mean what you think it does.

Google it, I don't have time to educate you. Or go to the library, turn left and look under "History of World Religions". If you can't go that far, ask the nice ladies at the front desk, they will be happy to show you what section you need to look under. Then, wear your glasses, sit down, take a long breath and start reading..... The so-called Muslim countries have had like what, over 8 Muslim women as Female head of states, and America is still waiting for Hillary so we can make history in 2014

[Anonymous]

Muslima wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Muslima wrote:

You?? The Equality Poster again???? Muslim women and Men are Equal, let me repeat again, we are Equal. I've said it again more than twice, maybe we need 20 more pages to get you to understand what Equality means . While men and women have equal rights in Islam, the specific rights and responsibilities granted to them are not identical, nobody ever said they were. Men and women have complementary rights and responsibilities.And don't you dare telling me you have the monopoly on what equality is Western equality you say??? Do I need to remind you that it is the very lack of equality in the WEST, of women's Rights that birthed the feminist movement? Just a few years ago , yeh years, not centuries, Women did not have the right to vote in the US. They got that right in 1920 after fighting tooth and nails, a right that was granted to Muslim women like 1400 years ago. Women in the West did not have the right to own property, only their husbands could The women had to struggle, a lot in the West for acquiring these rights, which Islam had given to them centuries ago. Oh and women still struggle for equal pay So don't tell me about western equality as the de facto notion of women's equality. Puh-Leezzzz

Provide proof of Muslim women voting 1400 years ago. Actually, provide proof of anybody Muslim voting 1400 years ago. The majority of Muslim rulers throughout history have not been selected by voting, whether by males or females.

You need a dictionary to tell you what "equal" means. It doesn't mean what you think it does.

Google it, I don't have time to educate you. Or go to the library, turn left and look under "History of World Religions". If you can't go that far, ask the nice ladies at the front desk, they will be happy to show you what section you need to look under. Then, wear your glasses, sit down, take a long breath and start reading..... The so-called Muslim countries have had like what, over 8 Muslim women as Female head of states, and America is still waiting for Hillary so we can make history in 2014

As usual, I'm torn between letting the idiocy of your non-answers and crude insults speak for themselves, and the alternative of hitting "quote" to point out that you obviously have no answer to PP's request that you, you know, prove your assertion that Islam granted voting rights to women 1400 years ago.

I see you and your nasty little sidekick are now just posting insults. Yuck.

[Anonymous]

Muslima wrote:
You?? The Equality Poster again???? Muslim women and Men are Equal, let me repeat again, we are Equal. I've said it again more than twice, maybe we need 20 more pages to get you to understand what Equality means . While men and women have equal rights in Islam, the specific rights and responsibilities granted to them are not identical, nobody ever said they were. Men and women have complementary rights and responsibilities.And don't you dare telling me you have the monopoly on what equality is Western equality you say??? Do I need to remind you that it is the very lack of equality in the WEST, of women's Rights that birthed the feminist movement? Just a few years ago , yeh years, not centuries, Women did not have the right to vote in the US. They got that right in 1920 after fighting tooth and nails, a right that was granted to Muslim women like 1400 years ago. Women in the West did not have the right to own property, only their husbands could The women had to struggle, a lot in the West for acquiring these rights, which Islam had given to them centuries ago. Oh and women still struggle for equal pay So don't tell me about western equality as the de facto notion of women's equality. Puh-Leezzzz

Source, or it didn't happen. The burden of proof is on you, because you made this statement.

I guess this gets chalked up as just another one of your little lies....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
I have met Muslim women who were distraught by the treatment of courts and judges who wouldn't grant them divorces from their abusive husbands, recommending lots of sabr instead.

I have met Muslim divorced women who kept their new relationships secret out of fear of losing custody of their children if they remarry.

I have met Muslim women and children, both small and grown, shattered by additional marriages their fathers and husbands chose to contract, sometimes in secret from the first families.

I have met Muslim women who had to bribe their drug addict husbands so that they would agree to khul separations.

I have met Muslim women angered by unilateral custody decisions that kept them away from their children, sanctioned by courts.

You don't speak for all Muslim women. You simply have no idea of the diversity of opinions and situations that exist for women in Muslim-majority countries.

Let's ask again: are any of these scenarios impossible or illegal under Shariah?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Muslima wrote:
You?? The Equality Poster again???? Muslim women and Men are Equal, let me repeat again, we are Equal. I've said it again more than twice, maybe we need 20 more pages to get you to understand what Equality means . While men and women have equal rights in Islam, the specific rights and responsibilities granted to them are not identical, nobody ever said they were. Men and women have complementary rights and responsibilities.And don't you dare telling me you have the monopoly on what equality is Western equality you say??? Do I need to remind you that it is the very lack of equality in the WEST, of women's Rights that birthed the feminist movement? Just a few years ago , yeh years, not centuries, Women did not have the right to vote in the US. They got that right in 1920 after fighting tooth and nails, a right that was granted to Muslim women like 1400 years ago. Women in the West did not have the right to own property, only their husbands could The women had to struggle, a lot in the West for acquiring these rights, which Islam had given to them centuries ago. Oh and women still struggle for equal pay So don't tell me about western equality as the de facto notion of women's equality. Puh-Leezzzz

Source, or it didn't happen. The burden of proof is on you, because you made this statement.

I guess this gets chalked up as just another one of your little lies....

Don't forget...conversion over immigration oldie but goodie!

[Muslima]

Anonymous wrote:

Muslima wrote:

You?? The Equality Poster again???? Muslim women and Men are Equal, let me repeat again, we are Equal. I've said it again more than twice, maybe we need 20 more pages to get you to understand what Equality means . While men and women have equal rights in Islam, the specific rights and responsibilities granted to them are not identical, nobody ever said they were. Men and women have complementary rights and responsibilities.And don't you dare telling me you have the monopoly on what equality is Western equality you say??? Do I need to remind you that it is the very lack of equality in the WEST, of women's Rights that birthed the feminist movement? Just a few years ago , yeh years, not centuries, Women did not have the right to vote in the US. They got that right in 1920 after fighting tooth and nails, a right that was granted to Muslim women like 1400 years ago. Women in the West did not have the right to own property, only their husbands could The women had to struggle, a lot in the West for acquiring these rights, which Islam had given to them centuries ago. Oh and women still struggle for equal pay So don't tell me about western equality as the de facto notion of women's equality. Puh-Leezzzz

Once more, with feeling. You certainly IMPLIED that rights and responsibilities were equal, when you used the word "equal" for a non-Muslim audience you KNEW VERY WELL would interpret the word differently from a Muslim audience. That's no different from a deliberate deception on your part.

You have only yourself to blame, if it took 20+ pages on women in Islam, across several threads, to get you to the point where you finally said, "what I actually mean by 'equal' is..."

You are dense, go get a drink. Get a cosmo, suits your personality and call Carrie Bradshaw while you're at it, you can have a nice relaxing discussion about women's rights while sipping on your cosmo....

Signed,
A Muslim Woman who is equaled to a Muslim Man

[Muslima]

Anonymous wrote:

Muslima wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Where the hell am I? Is this DC? I feel like I'm talking to a bunch of rednecks living in the back woods of Alabama. I am not Muslima, btw.

As a Muslim woman who lived in a Muslim country and who was very active in my local mosques, I have an understanding of how Muslim women think. You guys are ridiculous. You would be hard pressed to find Muslim women who would describe their lives as compared to men as anything other than just AND equal. In their eyes, justice = equality. In their eyes, separate rights does not necessarily mean inequality. A Muslim woman's idea of equality is having rights of equal value as compared to rights afforded to men. Separate rights may still have equal value.

Muslima explained this though she used the term equality. You guys knew full well what she was saying. You just enjoy bashing her because she was bold and proud to identify herself on an otherwise anonymous forum as a Muslim. This is bullying and you know it. Leave her alone and get off this rabid online bashing of a Muslim woman.

You aren't talking to Muslim women. You are talking to majority non-Muslim women.

Secondly, you don't speak for all Muslim women and you have no idea what the totality of them think. Have you met them all? Do you know what ALL of them think? You don't know what a Muslim woman's idea of equality is because there is no such thing as A Muslim Woman. There's women, millions of them, all with their own ideas that don't come out of your little factory.

I have met Muslim women who were distraught by the treatment of courts and judges who wouldn't grant them divorces from their abusive husbands, recommending lots of sabr instead.

I have met Muslim divorced women who kept their new relationships secret out of fear of losing custody of their children if they remarry.

I have met Muslim women and children, both small and grown, shattered by additional marriages their fathers and husbands chose to contract, sometimes in secret from the first families.

I have met Muslim women who had to bribe their drug addict husbands so that they would agree to khul separations.

I have met Muslim women angered by unilateral custody decisions that kept them away from their children, sanctioned by courts.

You don't speak for all Muslim women. You simply have no idea of the diversity of opinions and situations that exist for women in Muslim-majority countries.

You say in one breath, there is no such thing as a Muslim Woman ( thank you for letting me know I don't exist, i had no idea ) to saying in your next break "i have met many muslim women" , so you actually have met women who don't exist? since there is no such a thing as a muslim woman.... How ridiculous can this get???
I guess you are the one who speaks for Muslim women then since she can't and she has no idea of the diversity of opinions and situations that exist for women in Muslim-majority countries, according to you , Wowzeeee! Next time i hear about a Muslim woman in distress, i will make sure to call you at 1-800-anonymous so you can save her life since you have met all these women women who were so angered and abused and needed help. Do you work at a Muslim Women Abuse Anonymous hotline? Geez! You are dense! The other muslim poster and I must live under a rock since we were not aware of all these Islamic abuses done to Muslim women, what a wake up call!!!!!!

Its more like 1-800-GET-OBIG. One toothed, back woods, islamophobe gang.

aahahhaah

[Anonymous]

Muslima wrote:

Google it, I don't have time to educate you. Or go to the library, turn left and look under "History of World Religions". If you can't go that far, ask the nice ladies at the front desk, they will be happy to show you what section you need to look under. Then, wear your glasses, sit down, take a long breath and start reading..... The so-called Muslim countries have had like what, over 8 Muslim women as Female head of states, and America is still waiting for Hillary so we can make history in 2014

Tansu Çiller, elected prime minister of Turkey, 1993-1996 - SECULAR COUNTRY NOT RULED BY SHARIAH

Benazir Bhutto, elected prime minister of Pakistan 1988-1990, 1993-1996

Mame Madior Boye, appointed prime minister of Senegal, 2001-2002.

Megawati Sukarnoputri, elected president of Indonesia, 2001-2004

Khaleda Zia, elected prime minister of Bangladesh, 1991-1996 and 2001-2006

Sheikh Hasina, elected prime minister of Bangladesh 2009-

Roza Otunbayeva, president of Kyrgyzstan, 2010- 2011 SECULAR COUNTRY NOT RULED BY SHARIAH

Atifete Jahjaga, elected president of Kosovo 2011- SECULAR COUNTRY NOT RULED BY SHARIAH

[Anonymous]

Muslima wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Muslima wrote:

You?? The Equality Poster again???? Muslim women and Men are Equal, let me repeat again, we are Equal. I've said it again more than twice, maybe we need 20 more pages to get you to understand what Equality means . While men and women have equal rights in Islam, the specific rights and responsibilities granted to them are not identical, nobody ever said they were. Men and women have complementary rights and responsibilities.And don't you dare telling me you have the monopoly on what equality is Western equality you say??? Do I need to remind you that it is the very lack of equality in the WEST, of women's Rights that birthed the feminist movement? Just a few years ago , yeh years, not centuries, Women did not have the right to vote in the US. They got that right in 1920 after fighting tooth and nails, a right that was granted to Muslim women like 1400 years ago. Women in the West did not have the right to own property, only their husbands could The women had to struggle, a lot in the West for acquiring these rights, which Islam had given to them centuries ago. Oh and women still struggle for equal pay So don't tell me about western equality as the de facto notion of women's equality. Puh-Leezzzz

Once more, with feeling. You certainly IMPLIED that rights and responsibilities were equal, when you used the word "equal" for a non-Muslim audience you KNEW VERY WELL would interpret the word differently from a Muslim audience. That's no different from a deliberate deception on your part.

You have only yourself to blame, if it took 20+ pages on women in Islam, across several threads, to get you to the point where you finally said, "what I actually mean by 'equal' is..."

You are dense, go get a drink. Get a cosmo, suits your personality and call Carrie Bradshaw while you're at it, you can have a nice relaxing discussion about women's rights while sipping on your cosmo....

Signed,
A Muslim Woman who is equaled to a Muslim Man

I love, love, love how you always repeat a poster's sane and rational arguments, and then you respond with some insulting gibberish of your own. Do you have any idea how immature and nasty you look?

[Muslima]

Anonymous wrote:

Muslima wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Muslima wrote:

You?? The Equality Poster again???? Muslim women and Men are Equal, let me repeat again, we are Equal. I've said it again more than twice, maybe we need 20 more pages to get you to understand what Equality means . While men and women have equal rights in Islam, the specific rights and responsibilities granted to them are not identical, nobody ever said they were. Men and women have complementary rights and responsibilities.And don't you dare telling me you have the monopoly on what equality is Western equality you say??? Do I need to remind you that it is the very lack of equality in the WEST, of women's Rights that birthed the feminist movement? Just a few years ago , yeh years, not centuries, Women did not have the right to vote in the US. They got that right in 1920 after fighting tooth and nails, a right that was granted to Muslim women like 1400 years ago. Women in the West did not have the right to own property, only their husbands could The women had to struggle, a lot in the West for acquiring these rights, which Islam had given to them centuries ago. Oh and women still struggle for equal pay So don't tell me about western equality as the de facto notion of women's equality. Puh-Leezzzz

Provide proof of Muslim women voting 1400 years ago. Actually, provide proof of anybody Muslim voting 1400 years ago. The majority of Muslim rulers throughout history have not been selected by voting, whether by males or females.

You need a dictionary to tell you what "equal" means. It doesn't mean what you think it does.

Google it, I don't have time to educate you. Or go to the library, turn left and look under "History of World Religions". If you can't go that far, ask the nice ladies at the front desk, they will be happy to show you what section you need to look under. Then, wear your glasses, sit down, take a long breath and start reading..... The so-called Muslim countries have had like what, over 8 Muslim women as Female head of states, and America is still waiting for Hillary so we can make history in 2014

As usual, I'm torn between letting the idiocy of your non-answers and crude insults speak for themselves, and the alternative of hitting "quote" to point out that you obviously have no answer to PP's request that you, you know, prove your assertion that Islam granted voting rights to women 1400 years ago.

I see you and your nasty little sidekick are now just posting insults. Yuck.

Don't be torn.... that's not a good position to be under I refuse to educate you, so you will have to do that yourself or die in your ignorance

[Anonymous]

Muslima wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Muslima wrote:

You?? The Equality Poster again???? Muslim women and Men are Equal, let me repeat again, we are Equal. I've said it again more than twice, maybe we need 20 more pages to get you to understand what Equality means . While men and women have equal rights in Islam, the specific rights and responsibilities granted to them are not identical, nobody ever said they were. Men and women have complementary rights and responsibilities.And don't you dare telling me you have the monopoly on what equality is Western equality you say??? Do I need to remind you that it is the very lack of equality in the WEST, of women's Rights that birthed the feminist movement? Just a few years ago , yeh years, not centuries, Women did not have the right to vote in the US. They got that right in 1920 after fighting tooth and nails, a right that was granted to Muslim women like 1400 years ago. Women in the West did not have the right to own property, only their husbands could The women had to struggle, a lot in the West for acquiring these rights, which Islam had given to them centuries ago. Oh and women still struggle for equal pay So don't tell me about western equality as the de facto notion of women's equality. Puh-Leezzzz

Once more, with feeling. You certainly IMPLIED that rights and responsibilities were equal, when you used the word "equal" for a non-Muslim audience you KNEW VERY WELL would interpret the word differently from a Muslim audience. That's no different from a deliberate deception on your part.

You have only yourself to blame, if it took 20+ pages on women in Islam, across several threads, to get you to the point where you finally said, "what I actually mean by 'equal' is..."

You are dense, go get a drink. Get a cosmo, suits your personality and call Carrie Bradshaw while you're at it, you can have a nice relaxing discussion about women's rights while sipping on your cosmo....

Signed,
A Muslim Woman who is equaled to a Muslim Man

You've descended into personal insults now. You too are an embarrassment to your religion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Muslima wrote:
You?? The Equality Poster again???? Muslim women and Men are Equal, let me repeat again, we are Equal. I've said it again more than twice, maybe we need 20 more pages to get you to understand what Equality means . While men and women have equal rights in Islam, the specific rights and responsibilities granted to them are not identical, nobody ever said they were. Men and women have complementary rights and responsibilities.And don't you dare telling me you have the monopoly on what equality is Western equality you say??? Do I need to remind you that it is the very lack of equality in the WEST, of women's Rights that birthed the feminist movement? Just a few years ago , yeh years, not centuries, Women did not have the right to vote in the US. They got that right in 1920 after fighting tooth and nails, a right that was granted to Muslim women like 1400 years ago. Women in the West did not have the right to own property, only their husbands could The women had to struggle, a lot in the West for acquiring these rights, which Islam had given to them centuries ago. Oh and women still struggle for equal pay So don't tell me about western equality as the de facto notion of women's equality. Puh-Leezzzz

Source, or it didn't happen. The burden of proof is on you, because you made this statement.

I guess this gets chalked up as just another one of your little lies....

Don't forget...conversion over immigration oldie but goodie!

I was always a big fan of "Islam treats women captives very well." One of her first whoppers, so perhaps I'm just nostalgic.