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The article explains what republican Islam is. It's what the Muslim brotherhood tried to bring about in Egypt, and how Erdogan is transforming turkey today. You don't sound very well read into changes in "secular" Turkey over the past decade? Yes, the monarchism is oppressive as well. But it sure beats Iranian domination of the region, or maybe it doesn't? Would you like Iranian and russian control of the gulf and beyond?[/quote]

I'm not going to debate republican Islam with someone who learns from newspapers so let's leave it alone.

Would I like Iranian and Russian control? It doesn't matter what I like! And it doesn't matter what you like, either.

On the other hand, maybe you think what YOU like ought to matter.  Why don't you go up to an average Saudi or Bahraini and tell them, sorry boys, you can't vote, you can't be trusted to govern themselves, you have to keep living under Al-Saud and Al-Khalifa because I, an arrogant, ignorant American, have my own views on how things ought to be in your region.  Who knows what you people will vote for! Can't have that, can we.  Democracy is for other people, not you, and not when "Iranian domination" is looming, anyway! Why don't you do that. I'd love to watch. [/quote]

As naive and hopeful as we are in the west, we've learned from Venezuela, Turkey and ww2 Germany that democracy does not always equal human right, freedom, progress. It also takes a set of values and  visions, and very careful legal and constitutional codes enshrining them . When credible groups propose that, I'm sure they will gain much interest . If the change makers are simply Shias seeking to topple Sunnis, well then..[/quote]

YOU might be naive and hopeful.  The West, in total, has not. It was always eager to support dictatorships as long as they served its needs. It is also eager to come down on elected leaders who dare to trot the line the West does not approve of.  The BS of "values and visions" is code for "democracy is fine as long as you elect the right guy." [/quote]

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