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The opinion piece, which seemed reasoned and informative, drew a position on his stance favouring "republican Islam" from his words and history of action. Did you read the article? I do not think monarchical Islam is aligned with American values though it is with some of our regional interests (for now). That's part of what makes our foreign policy in the middle East and gulf fraught and difficult. We are truly caught between a rock and a hard place - but kashoggi didn't offer some 3rd, alternative. He was very much part and product of the republican Islamic stance according to this piece - ie, the Turkish model of government under Erdogan that has also rolled back many freedoms and gains . Why do you think he was in Turkey, just from curiousity?[/quote]

First, exactly what "republican Islam" is, no one knows. Each country invents that anew.

Turkey does not have the republican Islam form of government; it is very staunchly secular. If it was even remotely Islamic, Mr Khashoggi would have never had to go into the Saudi consulate - he could have married his lady love officially (not just in a mosque like he did) right then and there without having to prove he's single (again!). As it is, the secular Turkey bans plural marriage and that is why he had to get proof of divorce.

Why was he in Turkey? His girlfriend is Turkish, the wedding was supposed to be in Turkey, his family is from Turkey. That's why.

"We are truly caught between a rock and a hard place"?? What? YOU are not caught between anything. How other countries choose to govern themselves isn't up to you. You know who is caught between a rock and a hard place? The people of KSA, Bahrain, Kuwait and UAE who want to vote and govern themselves - but can't, because the families that rule their countries suppress them with AMERICAN WEAPONS AND AMERICAN SUPPORT! Can't have these stupid Arabs vote and choose for themselves, can we. Who knows whom they will vote for.  Much better we support Al-Saud and Al-Khalifa because they do what we want. Who cares about the people. [/quote]

The article explains what republican Islam is. It's what the Muslim brotherhood tried to bring about in Egypt, and how Erdogan is transforming turkey today. You don't sound very well read into changes in "secular" Turkey over the past decade? Yes, the monarchism is oppressive as well. But it sure beats Iranian domination of the region, or maybe it doesn't? Would you like Iranian and russian control of the gulf and beyond?[/quote]

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