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For me, I'm still waiting for someone to explain how there can be an absolute standard for human behavior without God.[/quote]

Well, maybe there is no absolute standard for human behavior. [/quote]

Do you truly believe that?  Do you know the enormity of what you are saying?  "Without God, everything is permissible.". In order to be able to do whatever you feel like, without an ultimate Authority to answer to, you are willing to extend the same courtesy to any other human being?  Sandusky, perhaps?[/quote]

Do you really believe that?  If hypothetically I could prove to you that there is no "God" then you would think it's perfectly fine to kill someone?  I find that mindboggling.

Of course, I also find it mindboggling when people want to impose rules on me FOR NO OTHER REASON than "God" says so-- whether those are rules about women riding in the back of the bus, or about not using condoms, or whatever.

Are you really incapable of independent moral reasoning?[/quote]

Heaven grant me patience.

It is not that some human beings need to be afraid of the Big Bad God in order to do what is right, while other stronger, smarter people can figure things out on their own.  It is that the very idea of right and wrong itself leads to an acknowledgement of an authority greater than any human being, or group of human beings.  Without an Absolute Authority, nothing is ACTUALLY wrong.

"Independent" moral reasoning--that is, independent of any absolute standard--can justify any crime against humanity.  So there are no crimes against humanity without absolute standards for human behavior.  Those absolute standards are found in natural law, which is authored by God.

If there is no God, no ultimate authority, then it does not matter if I think it is perfectly fine to kill someone, or if I am conflicted about it, or what you feel about my feelings.  Because we are all just worm food.  There is just existence and non-existence, not right and wrong.[/quote]

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