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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]wow this is crazy, you can be the 4th lowest decile aa and still be way above asians. crazy no wonder asians feel discriminated

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Standardized tests are culturally biased and we're originally implemented by a racist.

If the index was normalized for tests, this alleged disparity ( SFFA is the source of this massaged data) would be much lower.

Anyways, the SAT / ACT impact will continue to diminish over time.[/quote]

What are Asians and Whites in common but so much different for Blacks? culturally

What biase are we talking about?  [/quote]

What?  :?:  :shock:  :shock: [/quote]
DP.. apparently, SATs are culturally bias, hence Black people score lower on SATs.   But since Asian Americans score higher on SATs that must mean that they have more in common with white people.

That's the argument.  And yes, it's laughable and ignorant.[/quote]

Then what is your reason for AA people scoring lower?

Go ahead, say it out loud.  I dare you.  You know you think it. Have some courage and show everyone what you really think.

And that, right there, ladies and gents, is why colleges have the current policy.[/quote]

not PP, but my guess is that they care less about education and put less effort.
Culturally they may value more in succeeding in the areas such as sports or  entertainment industry like being a rapper or singer which are all ok. Nothing is wrong with that.

However if you want to improve on the education area, you have to go to the source of the problema and support and aid them to care more and put more effort in education instead of forcing it to increase the numbers artificially.

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You actually did say it out loud!  I am shocked!  There it is, folks...  your open racism of the day.  Hope it is the last one you hear today, but unfortunately we are likely to get more.

PP you disgust me.  You are repulsive.  And also an imbecile.  "Educate them more, but don't let them into the best colleges!"  Lol.   [/quote]

Why are you mad??

The reason is simple on the surface, you care less and put less effort = lower score.
You care more and put more effort = higher score.

It's most likely a cultural thing. Asians probably care more about education and put more effort.

Seriously, what else could be the reason?  
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+1  work harder = better outcome.  That applies to anyone, regardless of race, social economic background, or whether in academics or sports.

I tell my unathletic kid that if they want to be better at x sport, then they need to go outside and practice more, just as I tell them that if they want that A in math, then they need to study more.
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Actually [b]the high scorers who were a tiny bit lower than the top scorers did work harder at something, many things… community engagement, arts, sports to name a few. [/b]Because of their hard work they were chosen over your kid who studied hard but was not willing to put the hard work in where it counts.

Your kid really just needs to step it up and do more and be better.[/quote]
how do you know this?

And actually, those Asian American students who have top scores also did many things  ... community engagement, arts, sports to name a few.   Apparently, they do so well at all these things, that they have to score higher and do more than certain other groups.[/quote]

That is what needs to be shown to prove the point that’s it’s a race based bias. Please post the National honors stats, the community engagement stats, the athletic stats. The arts stats.

The SAT stats are meaningless.

Show me students that excel at those things turned down for another student with no honors. [/quote]

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I believe the Harvard lawsuit couldn't prove otherwise, so they used the subjective "personality" assessment to tip the scale.[/quote]

Or they found SAT scores was not an indicator of success after graduation.[/quote]
and?   That has nothing to do with admission criteria.  And "success after graduation" is also subjective. But, if you want to use that metric, Asian Americans are more "successful" than other groups.  So what? What does "success after graduation" have to do with whether colleges are discriminating against Asian Americans BEFORE they even get into college?[/quote]

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