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[quote=Anonymous][quote=jsteele][quote=Anonymous]
Jesus said no more judging others, and with regard to stoning in particular, he said he without sin cast the first stone (i.e., nobody). So any Christian citing Old Testament practices that contradict Jesus would just be I guess wrong and not following Christianity as taught in the Bible.[/quote]

As I demonstrated in the second post of this thread, there are Christian pastors prominent enough to share a stage with Republican Presidential candidates who call for killing gays. However, that view is not representative of all Christians. It is almost impossible to discuss "Islam" given the varied practices that exist within the religion. Unfortunately, Saudi and other Gulf funding has spread Wahhabi influence and practices very widely and some of the archaic practices of that brand of Islam have come to represent the religion in the West. ISIS and al-Qaida are both branches of the Wahhabi tree. But, Wahhabism represents only a small portion of the Islamic universe. It is not fair to paint the entire religion with that brush.

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Not that PP, but I think her point was that you can find stronger scriptural support in Islam than in Christianity. The Quran has several passages condemning homosexuality, and several passages of Hadith prescribe death for homosexuals. As you know, the Quran is supposed to be the literal word of God, and the Hadith are supposed to be reliable although there's debate about some of them.

You won't find any recorded sayings by Jesus on homosexuality, let alone calling for death for homosexuals. For condemnation of homosexuality in the New Testament you have to go to Paul's letters, and Paul does not call for death. In any case many mainstream Christians regard Paul's letters as pastoral, and very rooted in his own time and culture, and do not give them the universal and timeless weight they give to Jesus' sayings. For the death penalty, you have to look on the Old Testament--but PP is absolutely right that Jesus clearly and specifically denied and banned humans' ability to make judgements, particularly judgements involving death, that are God's to make. FWIW, I've had long debates on the religious forum with a fundie who opposes homosexuality. These are the reasons many Protestant churches find it OK to allow gay marriage and even gay pastors.

So, if you're a Christian or Muslim who is mentally ill (as I believe the Orlando shooter will be shown to be) or even sane, you can find scriptural support in the Quran for disapproval although not for killing homosexuals. Only fringe Christians think it's OK to kill homosexuals, also I didn't hear that Cruz freak show citing actual Bible passages.

Signed, a liberal who thinks we need to acknowledge these things [/quote]

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