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Like I said, I do not have time for a long, detailed post on this today. It would take me all day to outline my reasons that Sanders is a better feminist but, most of all, it is important to point out that you really can't separate gender from race and class. Feminists are about equality for all, and not just the equal rights of financially privileged women. For that reason, a living wage, single payer healthcare, childcare, maternity leave, equal pay are a very big deal for women. Economic fairness should not be downplayed and Clinton is simply not on the same level as Sanders on those issues. She is okay on some but not all of these issues and, if single mothers are not entitled to a living wage, they really don't stand a chance and neither do their children.

Sanders was a leading opponent of welfare reform, NAFTA and TPP. [b]I can't understand how any feminist could downplay the harm to women of those particular policies. [/b]

As far as where the two candidates stand on specific women's issues, they are pretty comparable. They are about the same on reproductive freedom and on childcare and I do not expect either one of them to flip flop on those issues.

I could say a lot of things about the reasons I do not believe Clinton is a real feminist and, if I were to get into that, we would have to discuss a lot of things which have already been discussed on this board. I am not going to do again that since you asked me about Sanders and the main thing about Sanders is that there is not much I can say about him and his record on women's issues that isn't positive. He is a self identified feminist who has shown us that he will always stand up for the rights of women. Clinton has shown us that she is perfectly willing to compromise. 
 
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Sanders supporters keep talking about this and welfare reform, but in truth, both of those things hurt men as well as women, and in some instances, arguably more. So that particular argument for Sanders as the better feminist sounds about as non-sensical as the anti-choice claim that since 50% of the fetuses killed by abortion are female, it necessarily follows that being pro-choice is antifeminist. Furthermore, Hillary wasn't in elected office at the time of any of those policies' creations.

And a rebuttal that argues my thoughts more cogently than I: http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/04/more-than-just-a-symbol/476490/ Bernie's no anti-feminist, but it's just another issue for him. [/quote]

This is really twisted logic and shows a misunderstanding about feminism which has been promoted by the right wing and not by feminists. Just because an issue affects men does not mean it is not a feminist issue. [i]Everything[/i] affects men. [i]  I have no time to read your article but that is a completely erroneous statement. [/quote]

Well then, if welfare reform and TPP were feminist issues, so was Sierra Blanca. And the Brady Bill, and like someone said before, the Minute Men.

If child care and healthcare are important feminist issues, Hillary was a pioneer in health care reform and then she was instrumental in implementing healthcare for children. She was also very involved in Children's Defense Fund. I am not sure why that doesn't make her a "real"feminist. [/quote]

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