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[quote=FruminousBandersnatch][quote=Anonymous][quote=FruminousBandersnatch][quote]
 Well people who are devout believe in the unseen world of angels and souls, and these entities also do not collide. Just makes sense that it could be where heaven is. It just makes it more awesome that science is finally beginning to prove all this. [/quote]

You're looking at this backwards from a scientific perspective. You are assuming that heaven/etc. exists and then trying to say, "See - all this new stuff they're finding out could be where heaven is."

Science, on the other hand, looks at the evidence and draws conclusion from the evidence. There is no scientific evidence that heaven exists. There is no supernatural requirement associated with the theories around dark matter or any other cosmological theories. [/quote]

I think that should have been evident from the title of my thread. This thread assumes heaven exists. It is a topic that only people of faith would understand, not atheists. So I ask again- why are you here to discuss where heaven exists, if you can not even accept that heaven even exists in the first place? We are going in circles with atheists on a thread that discusses a religious concept and its connection to science. If dark matter interests you, start a topic in off-topic. This thread assumes heaven does exist because people of faith believe that. Its not up for debate here. [/quote]

I have no argument with you about whether Heaven exists. (I disagree with you, but there's no point in arguing it because neither of us could prove the point to the other's satisfaction. I would also point out that the initial post in this thread is somewhat theologically uncertain about the nature of the "Seven Heavens" vs. the paradise of the other Abrahamic religions, and it doesn't even reference places like Valhalla, the Happy Hunting Grounds, etc.)

My point is that you are trying to conflate the physical realm with the spiritual, supernatural realm. There is no evidence to imply that there is anything supernatural or spiritual about dark matter, and by trying to tie the location of Heaven (or the Seven Heavens or Valhalla or the afterlife-paradise of your choice) to large clumps of dark matter, and then postulating that immaterial, supernatural, immortal soul, upon death, streaks through a wormhole (something theoretically possible, but never observed) to $paradise$ is simply silly.

Let's consider some of the questions raised by your hypothesis.

If Heaven is out there in some massive clump of dark matter, why would God create Earth so far away? Seems kinda inconvenient. Is God's monitoring of Earth and occasional interactions with people subject to physical limitations like the speed of light? Is prayer subject to those delays? Or does prayer operate via ansible? If God, the angels, and all of the souls are massless and immaterial, what provides the mass of dark matter?

Is there one large, stable wormhole sitting out there (if so, why haven't we noticed its physical effects because each end of a wormhole is a black hole, with all of the gravitational effects that implies), or is a new wormhole created for each soul (again, we might've noticed that, even if the wormholes were small because of the showers of particles that would be created when the wormhole closed).

Perhaps we didn't notice them because the wormholes themselves are so far from Earth. How fast does an immaterial soul travel when it leaves the body to head for the wormhole? Should we postulate that the soul travels at light speed? Does a soul experience time dilation while travelling at light speed? If a soul is made of dark matter and has mass, its acceleration from rest attached to a body to near light speed would release a lot of radiation and would be detectable - especially since with the current population various websites say that roughly 150,000 people die per day.

If a soul is not made of dark matter and is truly immaterial, then why would it have any speed limit and why would it need a transport mechanism like a wormhole? Would a soul notice the passage of time between death and its arrival in Heaven?

If the wormholes are temporary, what provides the energy to open them for each soul?

On the other hand, if God, Heaven, the angels and all of the souls are truly supernatural and have no physical links to this mortal plane, then why would Heaven have to be so far out in the universe? Why wouldn't it be a supernatural realm "right next door" to ours?

There's no evidence that there is anything supernatural or divine about dark matter, and so no reason to assume that it might be the home to a divine entity.

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