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[quote=Anonymous][quote=jsteele][quote=Anonymous]Jeff, I'm the PP you're attacking today. I'm the soon-to-be-divorcee (and thanks for defending me on that one) Christian-evangelist (and thanks for defending everyone here on that one).

You are lumping multiple posters together and then stating that ALL of us are wrong to challenge Islam because of the actions of a few. I am not the poster who said Islam is brutal. I am not the poster who called Mohammed a pedophile or who is referring to pedophilia above. I am not the poster who told Muslima to go back to her own country. In fact, I regret that others did this. There, I apologized for those other posters.

My point is: using the bad behavior of a few to lump us all together as Islamophobes is intimidating and unfair.

BTW, I remember a thread where someone came on to accuse the Catholic Church of sponsoring whorehouses in the Middle Ages. You did not raise a single objection along the lines you're raising here, i.e. that it's not reasonable to talk about the Middle Ages, or to suggest that all Catholics run whorehouses. You're going to answer that you can't know what everybody is saying. My point is, yes, of course the attacks on Catholics are so frequent you can't stay on top of them all, and the result is that DCUM seems like open season on Catholics, Christians and Jews, while you charge in on every one of the much rarer threads on Islam.

I'm actually surprised you "can't believe we're wasting our time" about the immigrants point, or that you wonder why we're chasing down Muslima's initial statement that "Islam offers asylum to prisoners of war." The other PP and I care about facts, so shoot us. We both have an intellectual interest in Islam, so shoot us. Do you make similar challenges to posters who write about bird-watching, Sidwell Friends or whatever goes on in the Explicit forum? If you don't care about facts where Islam is concerned, then that's totally your prerogative. But do you really think it's fair to use the excuse that one different PP used the word "brutal" to try to impugn the rest of us? That's intimidating and almost sounds like you're trying to stop us from posting.[/quote]

If you weren't one of the posters saying that all Muslims embrace brutality, then my remarks about that were not directed to you. I believe that every response I've made has quoted the post to which I am responding. If my remarks were not made in response to your message, then you have no basis on which to assume my post had anything to do with you at all.

In every case I qualified the behavior that I considered aimed at spreading a negative image of Islam. At no point did I say that "arguing about conversion vs immigration is attempting to spread a negative image of Islam". I was very specific about which behaviors I thought were doing such a thing. If you were engaging in such behaviors, then the shoe fit, so wear it. If you were not, then you are unnecessarily and inaccurately considering yourself a target of my remarks.

I really get sick and tired of posters turning into instant crybabies just because I post something with which they disagree. I am not lumping you all together other than accidentally based on an inability to tell all the anonymous posters apart. If you are bothered that you are confused with other anonymous posters, perhaps you should take steps to help other posters distinguish you?

As for the whorehouse thing, what makes you think that I even knew about that message, let alone condoned it? Did you report the message to me? I got involved with the previous thread only after it was reported to me. The poster actually posted saying that she had reported the thread and I had refused to remove messages from it. You guys even argued about her post. 
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Jeff, you have impugned our motives for even responding to Muslima and the other PP's claims about asylum, concubines, and immigration. You have suggested that we have nefarious motives for even being interested in these things, instead of just letting the original statements sit unquestioned.

Who's the crybaby here? Muslima and her friend reported these threads. I'm guessing nobody reported the Muslim PP for calling us christianevangelicwhatevers, right? I'm certain I never reported to you their attacks on my kid, my husband, or my cooking skills. I can defend myself, thanks, against all their insults. In fact I find both the attacks and your unwillingness to criticize them sort of hilarious, and that's the real reason I keep referring to them.

Re the whorehouses: you missed the point. Yes, there are so many anti-Catholic, anti-Christian and anti-Jewish posts that you can't possibly keep on top of them (we agree on that!). The result is that bigotry against these groups is rampant here. But you can't argue in the same breath that Islam is "singled out" for criticism.

I'm as PC as they come. But there's a real issue here about balance and bias.[/quote]

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