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[quote=jsteele][quote=Anonymous] Where we part ways is where you suggest that anybody who responds to OP must be "singling" out Islam or is even anti-Islam. This begs the question: Is it even possible to respond to OP without referring to Islam? Or is the point that nobody should respond to OP, because this can't be done without reference to Islamic-specific tenets on prostitution vs. concubines, so it shouldn't be done at all? [/quote] Of course you can reference Islam when replying to the OP. What I am referring to is the (this is oversimplified for the sake of discussion) argument that goes something like "An example of Islam's brutality is the acceptance of concubines" and then when the existence and acceptance of concubines in other religions is pointed out the response is to move the goal posts or brush off the examples from other religions. I don't know how the issue of concubines was introduced in the other thread. I only know that I objected to a poster's contention that Islam was brutal and all Muslims embraced that brutality. This point was made in somewhat different manners by two different posters. When I disputed that contention, the issue of concubines suddenly came up. My argument in response to that has been to say that if a historical acceptance of concubines is an indication of brutality, then Christians and Jews also embrace brutality. I think the opposite argument: that concubines are only an indication of brutality where Muslims are concerned, is discriminatory and justifies suspicions of the poster's motives. As to your point about Muslima and asylum, I might suggest a different approach. Instead of attempting to demonstrate that she is wrong, ask her to provide examples of prisoners being provided asylum, or to give further context to her contention. As I have said repeatedly, there is no "one true Islam". So, "wrong" and "right" and not useful concepts in discussing the topic. Muslima may be right in one context and wrong in another. I think it is more useful to define the parameters of the context about which she is speaking. [/quote]
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