Anonymous wrote:You need to try harder.

Or just get off of DCUM where the harpies roost.

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Precisely. ONE school versus the mean scores across MANY schools.

Exactly. Shanghai is touted as having the highest PISA scores in the world and much, much higher than US scores. I don't think they break down the scores for Shanghai or at least the data is not available. if you have the data of Shanghai schools or of a school that has higher scores than TJ, please post them. I do not know of any. Of all the known scores, TJ has the highest scores, higher than Shanghai scores.

http://www.oecd.org/countries/hongkongchina/46581016.pdf

http://www.shmec.gov.cn/english/list.php?type=Overview&area_id=&article_id=63905

Again -- ONE school (TJ) vs. the mean scores across MANY schools (all schools in Shanghai). It is not a comparison of one school (TJ) to one school (Shanghai High School, as an example).

Shanghai schools (plural) do have the highest PISA scores in the world and much, much higher than US scores.

I guess you want to become "that person who is not so great at reporting facts person" since your sources are articles on educational systems in Hong Kong and Shanghai. Read your own sources. You did not post any scores of any schools that have higher scores than TJ. The initial statement was that TJ's scores are far higher than schools in US and higher than even Shanghai scores which are considered the best in the world. The statement never referred to PISA scores of a particular school in Shanghai.

Your sources do not show the initial statement to be factually incorrect as you had implied. You need better sources or scores. Do not try to mislead people on this thread since they are smarter than that. In addition, you should be able to back up your statement if you are going to imply that a poster posts inaccurate statements regularly and also refrain from doing exactly the thing that you are mocking someone else of doing. You are just repeating yourself and merely repeating something is not an effective rebuttal. Try again by "reporting facts" that show the initial statement to be incorrect.

And your sources do not back up the statement the TJ scores are higher than all Shanghai schools' scores.

Now you are changing the initial statement. The initial statement was a quote from the Washington Post article which stated "Students at Thomas Jefferson, a magnet school for the regions' brightest children, did the best on the assessment, far exceeding their U.S. peers and those in Shanghai, China, who rank among the best in the world on the PISA test." It did not say ALL Shanghai schools' scores. The statement is based on the available data which has information on mean scores of fcps high schools and participating countries/cities. You can only use the data that are available. The mean scores of Shanghai schools and mean scores of TJ. TJ's scores are significantly higher than Shanghai's scores. If you have any school(s)' scores that are higher than TJ, please post them. If you don't, stop changing the initial statement or making the same arguments that Shanghai scores cover multiple schools etc. It is obvious that Shanghai scores cover multiple scores. No one ever said Shanghai scores cover a particular school. We all know Shanghai is a city in China. Why don't you make the same silly argument that US scores are from many different schools and that it is not from 1 school. You forgot to make that argument. You should make that argument now and see how far that goes. That would be exactly the same thing you are saying about the Shanghai scores. In fact, there is an argument that Shanghai scores represent only the brightest sub-group and not all 15 year olds in Shanghai. Well, maybe we should only use the top 20 - 30% of the TJ student''s scores and compare that to the Shanghai score. The discrepancy will be much greater. I am not even arguing that position and we don't even have the breakdown of the TJ scores by student GPA.

Until you can post scores from any city, country, or school etc. that shows PISA scores that are higher than TJ's scores, the initial statement stands. You need to try harder.

More on Shanghai PISA results:

http://blogs.edweek.org/edweek/top_performers/2013/12/response_to_the_brookings_institution_attack_on_pisa.html

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Precisely. ONE school versus the mean scores across MANY schools.

Exactly. Shanghai is touted as having the highest PISA scores in the world and much, much higher than US scores. I don't think they break down the scores for Shanghai or at least the data is not available. if you have the data of Shanghai schools or of a school that has higher scores than TJ, please post them. I do not know of any. Of all the known scores, TJ has the highest scores, higher than Shanghai scores.

http://www.oecd.org/countries/hongkongchina/46581016.pdf

http://www.shmec.gov.cn/english/list.php?type=Overview&area_id=&article_id=63905

Again -- ONE school (TJ) vs. the mean scores across MANY schools (all schools in Shanghai). It is not a comparison of one school (TJ) to one school (Shanghai High School, as an example).

Shanghai schools (plural) do have the highest PISA scores in the world and much, much higher than US scores.

I guess you want to become "that person who is not so great at reporting facts person" since your sources are articles on educational systems in Hong Kong and Shanghai. Read your own sources. You did not post any scores of any schools that have higher scores than TJ. The initial statement was that TJ's scores are far higher than schools in US and higher than even Shanghai scores which are considered the best in the world. The statement never referred to PISA scores of a particular school in Shanghai.

Your sources do not show the initial statement to be factually incorrect as you had implied. You need better sources or scores. Do not try to mislead people on this thread since they are smarter than that. In addition, you should be able to back up your statement if you are going to imply that a poster posts inaccurate statements regularly and also refrain from doing exactly the thing that you are mocking someone else of doing. You are just repeating yourself and merely repeating something is not an effective rebuttal. Try again by "reporting facts" that show the initial statement to be incorrect.

And your sources do not back up the statement the TJ scores are higher than all Shanghai schools' scores.

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Precisely. ONE school versus the mean scores across MANY schools.

Exactly. Shanghai is touted as having the highest PISA scores in the world and much, much higher than US scores. I don't think they break down the scores for Shanghai or at least the data is not available. if you have the data of Shanghai schools or of a school that has higher scores than TJ, please post them. I do not know of any. Of all the known scores, TJ has the highest scores, higher than Shanghai scores.

http://www.oecd.org/countries/hongkongchina/46581016.pdf

http://www.shmec.gov.cn/english/list.php?type=Overview&area_id=&article_id=63905

Again -- ONE school (TJ) vs. the mean scores across MANY schools (all schools in Shanghai). It is not a comparison of one school (TJ) to one school (Shanghai High School, as an example).

Shanghai schools (plural) do have the highest PISA scores in the world and much, much higher than US scores.

I guess you want to become "that person who is not so great at reporting facts person" since your sources are articles on educational systems in Hong Kong and Shanghai. Read your own sources. You did not post any scores of any schools that have higher scores than TJ. The initial statement was that TJ's scores are far higher than schools in US and higher than even Shanghai scores which are considered the best in the world. The statement never referred to PISA scores of a particular school in Shanghai.

Your sources do not show the initial statement to be factually incorrect as you had implied. You need better sources or scores. Do not try to mislead people on this thread since they are smarter than that. In addition, you should be able to back up your statement if you are going to imply that a poster posts inaccurate statements regularly and also refrain from doing exactly the thing that you are mocking someone else of doing. You are just repeating yourself and merely repeating something is not an effective rebuttal. Try again by "reporting facts" that show the initial statement to be incorrect.

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Precisely. ONE school versus the mean scores across MANY schools.

Exactly. Shanghai is touted as having the highest PISA scores in the world and much, much higher than US scores. I don't think they break down the scores for Shanghai or at least the data is not available. if you have the data of Shanghai schools or of a school that has higher scores than TJ, please post them. I do not know of any. Of all the known scores, TJ has the highest scores, higher than Shanghai scores.

http://www.oecd.org/countries/hongkongchina/46581016.pdf

http://www.shmec.gov.cn/english/list.php?type=Overview&area_id=&article_id=63905

Again -- ONE school (TJ) vs. the mean scores across MANY schools (all schools in Shanghai). It is not a comparison of one school (TJ) to one school (Shanghai High School, as an example).

Shanghai schools (plural) do have the highest PISA scores in the world and much, much higher than US scores.

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Anonymous wrote:They will have the best facilities of all the highschools in the US after the 100 million renovation work.

And the 20 million for the research labs/equipments raised privately with donations.

The best facilities/equipments of the school will finally match the best students in the country to form the best high school in the world.

Now THAT is funny!

"Students at Thomas Jefferson, a magnet school for the regions' brightest children, did the best on the assessment, far exceeding their U.S. peers and those in Shanghai, China, who rank among the best in the world on the PISA test."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/fairfax-county-schools-outperform-us-average-many-countries-on-new-test/2013/03/21/c4872be8-924c-11e2-9cfd-36d6c9b5d7ad_story.html

Not that not-so-great-at-reporting-factually guy again.

Read the source report - especially chapter 5:
http://www.fcps.edu/pla/ost/pisa/school_level_reports/thomas_jefferson_hsst.pdf

The section 5 states TJ's mean scores for Reading, Math and Science are higher than Shanghai's mean scores for Reading, Math and Science. Shanghai has the highest PISA scores of all the countries that participated including US.

Precisely. ONE school versus the mean scores across MANY schools.

Exactly. Shanghai is touted as having the highest PISA scores in the world and much, much higher than US scores. I don't think they break down the scores for Shanghai or at least the data is not available. if you have the data of Shanghai schools or of a school that has higher scores than TJ, please post them. I do not know of any. Of all the known scores, TJ has the highest scores, higher than Shanghai scores. That was the point and that was what was stated before you implied that was factually incorrect. That information is factually correct.

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Anonymous wrote:They will have the best facilities of all the highschools in the US after the 100 million renovation work.

And the 20 million for the research labs/equipments raised privately with donations.

The best facilities/equipments of the school will finally match the best students in the country to form the best high school in the world.

Now THAT is funny!

"Students at Thomas Jefferson, a magnet school for the regions' brightest children, did the best on the assessment, far exceeding their U.S. peers and those in Shanghai, China, who rank among the best in the world on the PISA test."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/fairfax-county-schools-outperform-us-average-many-countries-on-new-test/2013/03/21/c4872be8-924c-11e2-9cfd-36d6c9b5d7ad_story.html

Not that not-so-great-at-reporting-factually guy again.

Read the source report - especially chapter 5:
http://www.fcps.edu/pla/ost/pisa/school_level_reports/thomas_jefferson_hsst.pdf

The section 5 states TJ's mean scores for Reading, Math and Science are higher than Shanghai's mean scores for Reading, Math and Science. Shanghai has the highest PISA scores of all the countries that participated including US.

Precisely. ONE school versus the mean scores across MANY schools.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They will have the best facilities of all the highschools in the US after the 100 million renovation work.

And the 20 million for the research labs/equipments raised privately with donations.

The best facilities/equipments of the school will finally match the best students in the country to form the best high school in the world.

Now THAT is funny!

"Students at Thomas Jefferson, a magnet school for the regions' brightest children, did the best on the assessment, far exceeding their U.S. peers and those in Shanghai, China, who rank among the best in the world on the PISA test."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/fairfax-county-schools-outperform-us-average-many-countries-on-new-test/2013/03/21/c4872be8-924c-11e2-9cfd-36d6c9b5d7ad_story.html

Not that not-so-great-at-reporting-factually guy again.

Read the source report - especially chapter 5:
http://www.fcps.edu/pla/ost/pisa/school_level_reports/thomas_jefferson_hsst.pdf

Country Category "Reading Mean" "Math Mean" "Science Mean"

Chantilly HS FCPS 529 539 542
Falls Church HS FCPS 490 489 500
Hayfield Scondary FCPS 512 503 521
Herndon HS FCPS 508 522 520
Langley FCPS 543 553 549
Lee HS FCPS 476 464 497
Mt. Vernon HS FCPS 466 443 470
Oakton HS FCPS 543 567 549
TJHSST FCPS 625 680 625
Woodson HS FCPS 550 558 545
FCPS Average for Pilot FCPS Average 530 540 537

Australia OECD 515 514 527
Austria OECD 470 496 494
Belgium OECD 506 515 507
Canada OECD 524 527 529
Chile OECD 449 421 447
Czech Republic OECD 478 493 500
Denmark OECD 495 503 499
Estonia OECD 501 512 528
Finland OECD 536 541 554
France OECD 496 497 498
Germany OECD 497 513 520
Greece OECD 483 466 470
Hungary OECD 494 490 503
Iceland OECD 500 507 496
Ireland OECD 496 487 508
Israel OECD 474 447 455
Italy OECD 486 483 489
Japan OECD 520 529 539
Korea OECD 539 546 538
Luxembourg OECD 472 489 484
Mexico OECD 425 419 416
Netherlands OECD 508 526 522
New Zealand OECD 521 519 532
Norway OECD 503 498 500
Poland OECD 500 495 508
Portugal OECD 489 487 493
Slovak Republic OECD 477 497 490
Slovenia OECD 483 501 512
Spain OECD 481 483 488
Sweden OECD 497 494 495
Switzerland OECD 501 534 517
Turkey OECD 464 445 454
United Kingdom OECD 494 492 514
United States OECD 500 487 502
OECD Average OECD Summary 493 496 501
OECD Total OECD Summary 492 488 496
Albania Partners 385 377 391
Argentina Partners 398 388 401
Azerbaijan Partners 362 431 373
Brazil Partners 412 386 405
Bulgaria Partners 429 428 439
Chinese Taipei Partners 495 543 520
Colombia Partners 413 381 402
Croatia Partners 476 460 486
Dubai (UAE) Partners 459 453 466
Hong Kong-China Partners 533 555 549
Indonesia Partners 402 371 383
Jordan Partners 405 387 415
Kazakhstan Partners 390 405 400
Kyrgyzstan Partners 314 331 330
Latvia Partners 484 482 494
Liechtenstein Partners 499 536 520
Lithuania Partners 468 477 491
Macao-China Partners 487 525 511
Montenegro Partners 408 403 401
Panama Partners 371 360 376
Peru Partners 370 365 369
Qatar Partners 372 368 379
Romania Partners 424 427 428
Russian Federation Partners 459 468 478
Serbia Partners 442 442 443
Shanghai-China Partners 556 600 575
Singapore Partners 526 562 542
Thailand Partners 421 419 425
Trinidad and Tobago Partners 416 414 410
Tunisia Partners 404 371 401
Uruguay Partners 426 427 427

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:They will have the best facilities of all the highschools in the US after the 100 million renovation work.

And the 20 million for the research labs/equipments raised privately with donations.

The best facilities/equipments of the school will finally match the best students in the country to form the best high school in the world.

Now THAT is funny!

"Students at Thomas Jefferson, a magnet school for the regions' brightest children, did the best on the assessment, far exceeding their U.S. peers and those in Shanghai, China, who rank among the best in the world on the PISA test."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/fairfax-county-schools-outperform-us-average-many-countries-on-new-test/2013/03/21/c4872be8-924c-11e2-9cfd-36d6c9b5d7ad_story.html

Not that not-so-great-at-reporting-factually guy again.

Read the source report - especially chapter 5:
http://www.fcps.edu/pla/ost/pisa/school_level_reports/thomas_jefferson_hsst.pdf

The section 5 states TJ's mean scores for Reading, Math and Science are higher than Shanghai's mean scores for Reading, Math and Science. Shanghai has the highest PISA scores of all the countries that participated including US.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They will have the best facilities of all the highschools in the US after the 100 million renovation work.

And the 20 million for the research labs/equipments raised privately with donations.

The best facilities/equipments of the school will finally match the best students in the country to form the best high school in the world.

Now THAT is funny!

"Students at Thomas Jefferson, a magnet school for the regions' brightest children, did the best on the assessment, far exceeding their U.S. peers and those in Shanghai, China, who rank among the best in the world on the PISA test."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/fairfax-county-schools-outperform-us-average-many-countries-on-new-test/2013/03/21/c4872be8-924c-11e2-9cfd-36d6c9b5d7ad_story.html

Not that not-so-great-at-reporting-factually guy again.

Read the source report - especially chapter 5:
http://www.fcps.edu/pla/ost/pisa/school_level_reports/thomas_jefferson_hsst.pdf

Anonymous wrote:The only TJ grad I know went to MIT and works for the Department of Homeland Security. If you know anything about the people who work at DHS, you'll know she THINKS she's doing wonderfully in life, but in reality is looked down upon by people who realize that DHS is not very picky about who they hire.

Wow, you have a big tar brush.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They will have the best facilities of all the highschools in the US after the 100 million renovation work.

And the 20 million for the research labs/equipments raised privately with donations.

The best facilities/equipments of the school will finally match the best students in the country to form the best high school in the world.

Now THAT is funny!

"Students at Thomas Jefferson, a magnet school for the regions' brightest children, did the best on the assessment, far exceeding their U.S. peers and those in Shanghai, China, who rank among the best in the world on the PISA test."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/fairfax-county-schools-outperform-us-average-many-countries-on-new-test/2013/03/21/c4872be8-924c-11e2-9cfd-36d6c9b5d7ad_story.html

My kids went to a low ranked suburban high school. One went to a state school for college, the other went to a community college and then finished online. The latter is a successful IT contractor, and the other is into non-profits, so she will probably not be profiting regardless. The point is...it's not the school, it's not the college. It is the kid.

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Anonymous wrote:They will have the best facilities of all the highschools in the US after the 100 million renovation work.

And the 20 million for the research labs/equipments raised privately with donations.

The best facilities/equipments of the school will finally match the best students in the country to form the best high school in the world.

Now THAT is funny!