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Whether or not you agree with it, no person in their right mind would compare spanking with what you see in some areas or the extreme behavior that is being discussed in this thread. Spanking by nature isn't abuse; it may not be an accepted form of discipline in most homes [b]but it doesn't constitute abuse.  If it did, the courts would have intervened decades ago[/b].[/quote]

So slavery isn't abuse, because the courts didn't intervene to stop it?

I bet in a hundred years time spanking will be seen as abuse in the US, just as it is already in more progressive European countries.[/quote]

I bet in 100 years, this country will never have social welfare programs like they do in Europe.

Did you read this post http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303519404579354801246309702

Why would you equate progressive with better?  I'm not saying that we should go backwards and go back to draconian punishments, but don't think European countries are a panacea of childrearing.  My DH is from Europe. He believes in spanking judiciously for kids in ES.  He works with a Finnish man who says he is seeing the younger generation be lazier and lazier and more spoiled.

So, if you think European countries do it better then do you also think we should be a completely socialist country like they are?   If we had better social welfare programs like Europe does maybe parents wouldn't need to discipline their kids b/c life would be so easy. We don't have to worry about our children joining gangs, doing drugs, being a bum because life is taken care of for us cradle to grave.    Read the article.

Do you think parents spank their kids simply b/c they like to?  Most parents I know who spank do so b/c they want to make sure the kids are disciplined and do not turn out to be horrible people, and what you consider horrible and what I consider horrible are probably different.  For example, if my kid turned out to be a highly-educated snobby ass, I would think my kid turned out horrible.  For some parents, being a highly-educated snob is a good thing judging by some of the posts on this forum.

Are there more effective methods?  For some kids, yes, other methods work.  For other kids, nope, nothing works.  Sure, the standard punishment works for a few hours or a few days, rinse and repeat as they say, but it doesn't have lasting impact.   You have to know your kid and what discipline works on them.  For example:  I have 2 kids.  One will comply if I just speak sternly; the other, doesn't matter what I say or what punishment I meat out, this one is stubborn and smart and will argue his side until he is blue in the face.  Nothing fazes him.

Once kids hit their teens, disciplining becomes much harder.  So I choose to use harsher disciplining methods now rather than later when it's almost impossible.

Kids are not all the same. They do not all respond to the same punishment.  It is not one size fits all.  If it were, any book I have read on disciplining would work, but it doesn't.[/quote]

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