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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Some people think Johns Hopkins and Chicago are above Williams and Amherst (and Pomona). Some of us know better. That’s really what this comes down to…[/quote]
Cause they are. What a ridiculous post. Is the nation’s most important medical research institution and one of the most rigorous and consequential colleges in the country as good as two random small colleges in Massachusetts and not even the 3rd best college in California? Yes, they’re much better than Williams Amherst and Pomona.[/quote]

Look I am a big LAC fan and had multiple W and A peers at my T5 med school, in addition to many T10 kids. W and A prepare exceptionally well. But overall considering everything involved in deciding the top TEN universities, there are at least 10 if not 12-15 that outshine W and A. The experience of having the top research/labs available to every undergrad who wants it, as well as the highest level of peers at the top universities, and the smaller classes at the ivy-private types, W and A are not structured to have all of that. Just like UCB cannot have all of it: it is too big and there are too many undergrads competing for labs and even library space. CalTEch is small true but has the research opportunities of the ivy/elite. 
The top 10 universities are:
Stanford
Harvard
MIT
Princeton
Yale
Penn
Duke
Columbia
Caltech
Johns Hopkins*

*The debate is really over the 10th spot: Hopkins, Chicago, Northwestern, or maybe Cornell or Brown.

W and A are amazing schools but not T10 universities. Its apples and oranges. W and A are 100% the best Oranges. 
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Thanks for showing your SLAC ignorance. Your “research” point especially does not hold water and, upon examination, would make the opposite point you are trying to make. [/quote]
R1s have better research than LACs. That is a fact of life. If r1 institutions shut down their REUs today, most lac grads would have near 0 opportunities in their field of interest. LACs rely on these research institutions for their kids to get into grad school. Open up a bit more.[/quote]

Yes indeed. REUs preferentially favor students from Primarily Undergraduate Institutions for a reason(LACs). Unfortunately with funding cuts this year many REUs even top ones at Chicago, ivies, etc were canceled. Many of these same schools allowed their own students to fill the research spots, paid them from other sources and did not cover housing as they would have for official REU program. While LAC students can do research with a LAC professor it is an entirely different experience to be in a lab with a PI (ie head professor), a couple of post docs and grad students, with multiple projects going on, undergrads can get publishable data and experience assisting with the writing of the papers very quickly. That scale of research does not exist at LACs or non-R1s. [/quote]

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