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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I agree that the apps are really killing the dating scene. My friends who primarily dated before the apps became the default for dating had much better experiences than my friends who are using the apps now. While they can definitely work, my sister met her husband on a dating app, it seems like they have gamified dating to the point that people date for sport and can’t give it up.  [/quote]

Apps haven't killed the dating scene. Women's poor behavior has killed the dating scene. [/quote]

Evolution made women hypergamous.  That doesn't make women evil, it's just their nature.  Women are the gatekeepers for sex.  Where women are allowed choice, they'll choose to sleep with the high value man every single time.  Men are the gatekeepers of relationships.  Ergo, those high value men will gladly pump and dump without a second thought.  Unfortunately, the apps make it all too easy to engage in this bad behavior.

Women don't benefit from being used and most men don't value by being frozen out of the dating market.  The high value guys, however, are loving life, even if it is a soulless existence of bouncing from one woman to the next.  Civilization used to have rules to create better outcomes for the people.  Unfortunately, folks thought they were smarter and could create progress by ignoring those new rules.  Of course, the progress has been illusory and led to lower satisfaction, especially for women.

Never forget that women were happier in 1970 before all the progress of feminism.  [/quote]

Maybe these women also would rather enjoy the short term flings with higher value men rather than settling for boring couch surfers.

I don't think the apps killed it  - they increase competition for men for more attractive women[/quote]

They don't kill dating for men who get matches.  The apps have been great for me.

I have good money, interesting hobbies, travel, stay fit.  I get tons of matches.

Will I have a relationship with any of these matches?  Nope.  Don't need to.  Most women will have sex the first or second date.  There is no reason to commit to a woman like that, especially if you have options.

Men you have two options knowing women will only go for the top 20%.

1 Get there, be the guy who is an 8/10 minimum.

2 match with 3/4s and roll the dice and see what happens.

If you're one of these guys that get a lot of matches you can deny the 3 and 4's and just do your thing, or not and use them for fun.  Up to you.

Point being, if you want to attract women you have to be attractive.  Make a lot of money.  Oh you don't have that?  Get in really good shape and have abs.  You'd be surprised what the second will get you even if you drive around a broken down Ford Focus.  Become desirable, and honestly it's easy if you do one or both of those aforementioned things.  Just don't do what I did and double book yourself and stand one of them up.  That's a dick move so don't do it.   learn to use your phones calendar app and plan accordingly. 
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Good for you but do understand that you are an exception. Perhaps you are an 8/10 guy whatever that means but the average man has a hard time on OLD. OLD are more women friendly because unlike a bar where they will have a hard time getting attention from men on OLD they have the upper hand.[/quote]

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