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Anonymous wrote:I think its also more difficult today because men have been discouraged from approaching women in public.

Boys in their 20s have still approached me. I'm 42 but appear younger and I am attractive .

LOL

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Anonymous wrote:I agree that the apps are really killing the dating scene. My friends who primarily dated before the apps became the default for dating had much better experiences than my friends who are using the apps now. While they can definitely work, my sister met her husband on a dating app, it seems like they have gamified dating to the point that people date for sport and can’t give it up.

Apps haven't killed the dating scene. Women's poor behavior has killed the dating scene.

Evolution made women hypergamous. That doesn't make women evil, it's just their nature. Women are the gatekeepers for sex. Where women are allowed choice, they'll choose to sleep with the high value man every single time. Men are the gatekeepers of relationships. Ergo, those high value men will gladly pump and dump without a second thought. Unfortunately, the apps make it all too easy to engage in this bad behavior.

Women don't benefit from being used and most men don't value by being frozen out of the dating market. The high value guys, however, are loving life, even if it is a soulless existence of bouncing from one woman to the next. Civilization used to have rules to create better outcomes for the people. Unfortunately, folks thought they were smarter and could create progress by ignoring those new rules. Of course, the progress has been illusory and led to lower satisfaction, especially for women.

Never forget that women were happier in 1970 before all the progress of feminism.

Maybe these women also would rather enjoy the short term flings with higher value men rather than settling for boring couch surfers.

I don't think the apps killed it - they increase competition for men for more attractive women

They don't kill dating for men who get matches. The apps have been great for me.

I have good money, interesting hobbies, travel, stay fit. I get tons of matches.

Will I have a relationship with any of these matches? Nope. Don't need to. Most women will have sex the first or second date. There is no reason to commit to a woman like that, especially if you have options.

Men you have two options knowing women will only go for the top 20%.

1 Get there, be the guy who is an 8/10 minimum.

2 match with 3/4s and roll the dice and see what happens.

If you're one of these guys that get a lot of matches you can deny the 3 and 4's and just do your thing, or not and use them for fun. Up to you.

Point being, if you want to attract women you have to be attractive. Make a lot of money. Oh you don't have that? Get in really good shape and have abs. You'd be surprised what the second will get you even if you drive around a broken down Ford Focus. Become desirable, and honestly it's easy if you do one or both of those aforementioned things. Just don't do what I did and double book yourself and stand one of them up. That's a dick move so don't do it. learn to use your phones calendar app and plan accordingly.

Presume you matched with a woman who is an 8/10 min. She will get lots of interest, just like you. No point for her to sleep with you on date 2-3, as she would take her time selecting and going out with matches. In those 2 LTRs I did have off OLD, the physical part happened almost 2 months after regular communication and them taking me out.

That’s what saves me from players like you. They get upset when clearly told I won’t join them at their apartment building pool to “hang out”. Send vile messages that “they are not interested”. Men are messed up on apps and no woman should sleep with anyone until after 5-6 dates, knowing his lifestyle, seeing him being emotionally invested etc. Regardless of who he is, how attractive, well paid etc.

So my point is a player like you is unlikely to get closer to any 8/10 women. They will crack your BS quickly. You are a user and will dispose and hurt any woman on your way, because you are not looking for a relationship. Those who want LTR are in it; those who are not are always on the apps.

You wouldn’t believe which s..t hits the fan out of most men by the one month mark of dating ! “Dirty” threesomes with gay friends at parties; hiding a live-in GF; alcoholism - you keep going.

All these men are permanently glued to apps “looking”. Like, for years !

Not likely.

Ina good looking guy with decent money and I’ve hooked up with some compete bombshells and some of the married. They’ll sleep with you if you’re desirable. Bottom line, they’ll cheat on their husbands in a flat second.

No big deal for me personally. Once you understand how female nature works you can become the guy they will chase or companion about it. I choose to use it to my advantage. If you’re a guy the game is easy. Become attractive. If you want attractive women you need to become attractive. Look for IOI and make yourself a better person. Once you’re there most women will sleep with you and most will want consistency with you. Especially if you’re interesting and talk to her well.

Also, I’ve also been a guy who was minding my business at home and had women text me after another guy took them out on a date just to come over to my place after he spent tons of money on her to end up riding me on my couch. And these are are women that most men would kill to go on a date with and talk to. It’s shown me what modern dating is really like.

For the men here, the relationship only really works if she likes you more than you like her. I’m not saying treat her like crap, don’t that just makes you a jerk. Set your boundaries and standards high and be the guy that is high value and attractive . And remember, for most men you’re dealing with women who are stuck on their highest default setting. That means that 9/10 or 10/10 guy who hooked up with them a couple of years go? Yeah she thinks she deserves that all the time now. So you’re competing with that guy. And if he comes around she’ll leave you for him in a flat second, so be the 9/10 guy instead. There is a video going around of a woman who is about to get married and her best friend has a video of her calling up her ex from 10 years ago wondering if there is still a chance. That happens more often than you think. I’ve never had that happen to me by one of my best friends had an ex call him up two weeks before she was going to get married just to see if he wound date her. And we’re not talking about some uneducated trailer park trash, she was a highly educated military officer.

So, there you have it gentlemen, the reality is you’re either the guy they call back just to be sure you might still want them or you’re the guy they settle for. Don’t be the settle for guy, be the other guy.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree that the apps are really killing the dating scene. My friends who primarily dated before the apps became the default for dating had much better experiences than my friends who are using the apps now. While they can definitely work, my sister met her husband on a dating app, it seems like they have gamified dating to the point that people date for sport and can’t give it up.

Apps haven't killed the dating scene. Women's poor behavior has killed the dating scene.

Evolution made women hypergamous. That doesn't make women evil, it's just their nature. Women are the gatekeepers for sex. Where women are allowed choice, they'll choose to sleep with the high value man every single time. Men are the gatekeepers of relationships. Ergo, those high value men will gladly pump and dump without a second thought. Unfortunately, the apps make it all too easy to engage in this bad behavior.

Women don't benefit from being used and most men don't value by being frozen out of the dating market. The high value guys, however, are loving life, even if it is a soulless existence of bouncing from one woman to the next. Civilization used to have rules to create better outcomes for the people. Unfortunately, folks thought they were smarter and could create progress by ignoring those new rules. Of course, the progress has been illusory and led to lower satisfaction, especially for women.

Never forget that women were happier in 1970 before all the progress of feminism.

Maybe these women also would rather enjoy the short term flings with higher value men rather than settling for boring couch surfers.

I don't think the apps killed it - they increase competition for men for more attractive women

They don't kill dating for men who get matches. The apps have been great for me.

I have good money, interesting hobbies, travel, stay fit. I get tons of matches.

Will I have a relationship with any of these matches? Nope. Don't need to. Most women will have sex the first or second date. There is no reason to commit to a woman like that, especially if you have options.

Men you have two options knowing women will only go for the top 20%.

1 Get there, be the guy who is an 8/10 minimum.

2 match with 3/4s and roll the dice and see what happens.

If you're one of these guys that get a lot of matches you can deny the 3 and 4's and just do your thing, or not and use them for fun. Up to you.

Point being, if you want to attract women you have to be attractive. Make a lot of money. Oh you don't have that? Get in really good shape and have abs. You'd be surprised what the second will get you even if you drive around a broken down Ford Focus. Become desirable, and honestly it's easy if you do one or both of those aforementioned things. Just don't do what I did and double book yourself and stand one of them up. That's a dick move so don't do it. learn to use your phones calendar app and plan accordingly.

Presume you matched with a woman who is an 8/10 min. She will get lots of interest, just like you. No point for her to sleep with you on date 2-3, as she would take her time selecting and going out with matches. In those 2 LTRs I did have off OLD, the physical part happened almost 2 months after regular communication and them taking me out.

That’s what saves me from players like you. They get upset when clearly told I won’t join them at their apartment building pool to “hang out”. Send vile messages that “they are not interested”. Men are messed up on apps and no woman should sleep with anyone until after 5-6 dates, knowing his lifestyle, seeing him being emotionally invested etc. Regardless of who he is, how attractive, well paid etc.

So my point is a player like you is unlikely to get closer to any 8/10 women. They will crack your BS quickly. You are a user and will dispose and hurt any woman on your way, because you are not looking for a relationship. Those who want LTR are in it; those who are not are always on the apps.

You wouldn’t believe which s..t hits the fan out of most men by the one month mark of dating ! “Dirty” threesomes with gay friends at parties; hiding a live-in GF; alcoholism - you keep going.

All these men are permanently glued to apps “looking”. Like, for years !

I’m a 8-10 woman who wouldn’t go near this guy. Any guy who refers to the women he will sleep with as “THOSE” kind of women for having choices in their own sexuality.
I’m assuming he’s just never been able to get a 8-10 woman aroused. We do it when we want to- sometimes that’s the first date sometimes it’s not- but this guy is fronting.

What I’m taking from this is yes— dating is a nightmare.

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Anonymous wrote:We're living in the age of narcissism. Every 42-year-old divorced woman with two young children thinks she is totally unique, when she's a time a dozen on the dating scene. Oh look, it's another single mom, I'll pass. That's what men are thinking.

As a woman I can tell the same about men - any bolding never married mid 50s dude thinks we can’t see through their BS and why they never married. Just an example.

At least there 42 yo single moms have done something of value for the society - parenting is the hardest job on Earth

But most men aren't passing. Younger, older, they may not be in it for a relationship but they're certainly not passing.

Of course they f..k anything that moves.

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Anonymous wrote:We're living in the age of narcissism. Every 42-year-old divorced woman with two young children thinks she is totally unique, when she's a time a dozen on the dating scene. Oh look, it's another single mom, I'll pass. That's what men are thinking.

As a woman I can tell the same about men - any bolding never married mid 50s dude thinks we can’t see through their BS and why they never married. Just an example.

At least there 42 yo single moms have done something of value for the society - parenting is the hardest job on Earth

But most men aren't passing. Younger, older, they may not be in it for a relationship but they're certainly not passing.

Anonymous wrote:We're living in the age of narcissism. Every 42-year-old divorced woman with two young children thinks she is totally unique, when she's a time a dozen on the dating scene. Oh look, it's another single mom, I'll pass. That's what men are thinking.

As a woman I can tell the same about men - any bolding never married mid 50s dude thinks we can’t see through their BS and why they never married. Just an example.

At least there 42 yo single moms have done something of value for the society - parenting is the hardest job on Earth

We're living in the age of narcissism. Every 42-year-old divorced woman with two young children thinks she is totally unique, when she's a time a dozen on the dating scene. Oh look, it's another single mom, I'll pass. That's what men are thinking.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree that the apps are really killing the dating scene. My friends who primarily dated before the apps became the default for dating had much better experiences than my friends who are using the apps now. While they can definitely work, my sister met her husband on a dating app, it seems like they have gamified dating to the point that people date for sport and can’t give it up.

Apps haven't killed the dating scene. Women's poor behavior has killed the dating scene.

Evolution made women hypergamous. That doesn't make women evil, it's just their nature. Women are the gatekeepers for sex. Where women are allowed choice, they'll choose to sleep with the high value man every single time. Men are the gatekeepers of relationships. Ergo, those high value men will gladly pump and dump without a second thought. Unfortunately, the apps make it all too easy to engage in this bad behavior.

Women don't benefit from being used and most men don't value by being frozen out of the dating market. The high value guys, however, are loving life, even if it is a soulless existence of bouncing from one woman to the next. Civilization used to have rules to create better outcomes for the people. Unfortunately, folks thought they were smarter and could create progress by ignoring those new rules. Of course, the progress has been illusory and led to lower satisfaction, especially for women.

Never forget that women were happier in 1970 before all the progress of feminism.

Maybe these women also would rather enjoy the short term flings with higher value men rather than settling for boring couch surfers.

I don't think the apps killed it - they increase competition for men for more attractive women

They don't kill dating for men who get matches. The apps have been great for me.

I have good money, interesting hobbies, travel, stay fit. I get tons of matches.

Will I have a relationship with any of these matches? Nope. Don't need to. Most women will have sex the first or second date. There is no reason to commit to a woman like that, especially if you have options.

Men you have two options knowing women will only go for the top 20%.

1 Get there, be the guy who is an 8/10 minimum.

2 match with 3/4s and roll the dice and see what happens.

If you're one of these guys that get a lot of matches you can deny the 3 and 4's and just do your thing, or not and use them for fun. Up to you.

Point being, if you want to attract women you have to be attractive. Make a lot of money. Oh you don't have that? Get in really good shape and have abs. You'd be surprised what the second will get you even if you drive around a broken down Ford Focus. Become desirable, and honestly it's easy if you do one or both of those aforementioned things. Just don't do what I did and double book yourself and stand one of them up. That's a dick move so don't do it. learn to use your phones calendar app and plan accordingly.

Presume you matched with a woman who is an 8/10 min. She will get lots of interest, just like you. No point for her to sleep with you on date 2-3, as she would take her time selecting and going out with matches. In those 2 LTRs I did have off OLD, the physical part happened almost 2 months after regular communication and them taking me out.

That’s what saves me from players like you. They get upset when clearly told I won’t join them at their apartment building pool to “hang out”. Send vile messages that “they are not interested”. Men are messed up on apps and no woman should sleep with anyone until after 5-6 dates, knowing his lifestyle, seeing him being emotionally invested etc. Regardless of who he is, how attractive, well paid etc.

So my point is a player like you is unlikely to get closer to any 8/10 women. They will crack your BS quickly. You are a user and will dispose and hurt any woman on your way, because you are not looking for a relationship. Those who want LTR are in it; those who are not are always on the apps.

You wouldn’t believe which s..t hits the fan out of most men by the one month mark of dating ! “Dirty” threesomes with gay friends at parties; hiding a live-in GF; alcoholism - you keep going.

All these men are permanently glued to apps “looking”. Like, for years !

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Anonymous wrote:I agree that the apps are really killing the dating scene. My friends who primarily dated before the apps became the default for dating had much better experiences than my friends who are using the apps now. While they can definitely work, my sister met her husband on a dating app, it seems like they have gamified dating to the point that people date for sport and can’t give it up.

Apps haven't killed the dating scene. Women's poor behavior has killed the dating scene.

Evolution made women hypergamous. That doesn't make women evil, it's just their nature. Women are the gatekeepers for sex. Where women are allowed choice, they'll choose to sleep with the high value man every single time. Men are the gatekeepers of relationships. Ergo, those high value men will gladly pump and dump without a second thought. Unfortunately, the apps make it all too easy to engage in this bad behavior.

Women don't benefit from being used and most men don't value by being frozen out of the dating market. The high value guys, however, are loving life, even if it is a soulless existence of bouncing from one woman to the next. Civilization used to have rules to create better outcomes for the people. Unfortunately, folks thought they were smarter and could create progress by ignoring those new rules. Of course, the progress has been illusory and led to lower satisfaction, especially for women.

Never forget that women were happier in 1970 before all the progress of feminism.

Maybe these women also would rather enjoy the short term flings with higher value men rather than settling for boring couch surfers.

I don't think the apps killed it - they increase competition for men for more attractive women

They don't kill dating for men who get matches. The apps have been great for me.

I have good money, interesting hobbies, travel, stay fit. I get tons of matches.

Will I have a relationship with any of these matches? Nope. Don't need to. Most women will have sex the first or second date. There is no reason to commit to a woman like that, especially if you have options.

Men you have two options knowing women will only go for the top 20%.

1 Get there, be the guy who is an 8/10 minimum.

2 match with 3/4s and roll the dice and see what happens.

If you're one of these guys that get a lot of matches you can deny the 3 and 4's and just do your thing, or not and use them for fun. Up to you.

Point being, if you want to attract women you have to be attractive. Make a lot of money. Oh you don't have that? Get in really good shape and have abs. You'd be surprised what the second will get you even if you drive around a broken down Ford Focus. Become desirable, and honestly it's easy if you do one or both of those aforementioned things. Just don't do what I did and double book yourself and stand one of them up. That's a dick move so don't do it. learn to use your phones calendar app and plan accordingly.

Presume you matched with a woman who is an 8/10 min. She will get lots of interest, just like you. No point for her to sleep with you on date 2-3, as she would take her time selecting and going out with matches. In those 2 LTRs I did have off OLD, the physical part happened almost 2 months after regular communication and them taking me out.

That’s what saves me from players like you. They get upset when clearly told I won’t join them at their apartment building pool to “hang out”. Send vile messages that “they are not interested”. Men are messed up on apps and no woman should sleep with anyone until after 5-6 dates, knowing his lifestyle, seeing him being emotionally invested etc. Regardless of who he is, how attractive, well paid etc.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree that the apps are really killing the dating scene. My friends who primarily dated before the apps became the default for dating had much better experiences than my friends who are using the apps now. While they can definitely work, my sister met her husband on a dating app, it seems like they have gamified dating to the point that people date for sport and can’t give it up.

Apps haven't killed the dating scene. Women's poor behavior has killed the dating scene.

Evolution made women hypergamous. That doesn't make women evil, it's just their nature. Women are the gatekeepers for sex. Where women are allowed choice, they'll choose to sleep with the high value man every single time. Men are the gatekeepers of relationships. Ergo, those high value men will gladly pump and dump without a second thought. Unfortunately, the apps make it all too easy to engage in this bad behavior.

Women don't benefit from being used and most men don't value by being frozen out of the dating market. The high value guys, however, are loving life, even if it is a soulless existence of bouncing from one woman to the next. Civilization used to have rules to create better outcomes for the people. Unfortunately, folks thought they were smarter and could create progress by ignoring those new rules. Of course, the progress has been illusory and led to lower satisfaction, especially for women.

Never forget that women were happier in 1970 before all the progress of feminism.

Maybe these women also would rather enjoy the short term flings with higher value men rather than settling for boring couch surfers.

I don't think the apps killed it - they increase competition for men for more attractive women

They don't kill dating for men who get matches. The apps have been great for me.

I have good money, interesting hobbies, travel, stay fit. I get tons of matches.

Will I have a relationship with any of these matches? Nope. Don't need to. Most women will have sex the first or second date. There is no reason to commit to a woman like that, especially if you have options.

Men you have two options knowing women will only go for the top 20%.

1 Get there, be the guy who is an 8/10 minimum.

2 match with 3/4s and roll the dice and see what happens.

If you're one of these guys that get a lot of matches you can deny the 3 and 4's and just do your thing, or not and use them for fun. Up to you.

Point being, if you want to attract women you have to be attractive. Make a lot of money. Oh you don't have that? Get in really good shape and have abs. You'd be surprised what the second will get you even if you drive around a broken down Ford Focus. Become desirable, and honestly it's easy if you do one or both of those aforementioned things. Just don't do what I did and double book yourself and stand one of them up. That's a dick move so don't do it. learn to use your phones calendar app and plan accordingly.

Good for you but do understand that you are an exception. Perhaps you are an 8/10 guy whatever that means but the average man has a hard time on OLD. OLD are more women friendly because unlike a bar where they will have a hard time getting attention from men on OLD they have the upper hand.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree that the apps are really killing the dating scene. My friends who primarily dated before the apps became the default for dating had much better experiences than my friends who are using the apps now. While they can definitely work, my sister met her husband on a dating app, it seems like they have gamified dating to the point that people date for sport and can’t give it up.

Apps haven't killed the dating scene. Women's poor behavior has killed the dating scene.

Evolution made women hypergamous. That doesn't make women evil, it's just their nature. Women are the gatekeepers for sex. Where women are allowed choice, they'll choose to sleep with the high value man every single time. Men are the gatekeepers of relationships. Ergo, those high value men will gladly pump and dump without a second thought. Unfortunately, the apps make it all too easy to engage in this bad behavior.

Women don't benefit from being used and most men don't value by being frozen out of the dating market. The high value guys, however, are loving life, even if it is a soulless existence of bouncing from one woman to the next. Civilization used to have rules to create better outcomes for the people. Unfortunately, folks thought they were smarter and could create progress by ignoring those new rules. Of course, the progress has been illusory and led to lower satisfaction, especially for women.

Never forget that women were happier in 1970 before all the progress of feminism.

When I read books like Angela's ashes I do wonder though if that's true. The 1940s seemed like a nightmare. And even high society like Jane Austin no one seemed terribly friendly. Always watching their step and back. Prohibition? Obviously signified some major issues with alcohol in the US. There likely were blips of positive decades but I don't think it's all rosy in the past

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Anonymous wrote:I agree that the apps are really killing the dating scene. My friends who primarily dated before the apps became the default for dating had much better experiences than my friends who are using the apps now. While they can definitely work, my sister met her husband on a dating app, it seems like they have gamified dating to the point that people date for sport and can’t give it up.

Apps haven't killed the dating scene. Women's poor behavior has killed the dating scene.

Evolution made women hypergamous. That doesn't make women evil, it's just their nature. Women are the gatekeepers for sex. Where women are allowed choice, they'll choose to sleep with the high value man every single time. Men are the gatekeepers of relationships. Ergo, those high value men will gladly pump and dump without a second thought. Unfortunately, the apps make it all too easy to engage in this bad behavior.

Women don't benefit from being used and most men don't value by being frozen out of the dating market. The high value guys, however, are loving life, even if it is a soulless existence of bouncing from one woman to the next. Civilization used to have rules to create better outcomes for the people. Unfortunately, folks thought they were smarter and could create progress by ignoring those new rules. Of course, the progress has been illusory and led to lower satisfaction, especially for women.

Never forget that women were happier in 1970 before all the progress of feminism.

Maybe these women also would rather enjoy the short term flings with higher value men rather than settling for boring couch surfers.

I don't think the apps killed it - they increase competition for men for more attractive women

They don't kill dating for men who get matches. The apps have been great for me.

I have good money, interesting hobbies, travel, stay fit. I get tons of matches.

Will I have a relationship with any of these matches? Nope. Don't need to. Most women will have sex the first or second date. There is no reason to commit to a woman like that, especially if you have options.

Men you have two options knowing women will only go for the top 20%.

1 Get there, be the guy who is an 8/10 minimum.

2 match with 3/4s and roll the dice and see what happens.

If you're one of these guys that get a lot of matches you can deny the 3 and 4's and just do your thing, or not and use them for fun. Up to you.

Point being, if you want to attract women you have to be attractive. Make a lot of money. Oh you don't have that? Get in really good shape and have abs. You'd be surprised what the second will get you even if you drive around a broken down Ford Focus. Become desirable, and honestly it's easy if you do one or both of those aforementioned things. Just don't do what I did and double book yourself and stand one of them up. That's a dick move so don't do it. learn to use your phones calendar app and plan accordingly.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree that the apps are really killing the dating scene. My friends who primarily dated before the apps became the default for dating had much better experiences than my friends who are using the apps now. While they can definitely work, my sister met her husband on a dating app, it seems like they have gamified dating to the point that people date for sport and can’t give it up.

Apps haven't killed the dating scene. Women's poor behavior has killed the dating scene.

Evolution made women hypergamous. That doesn't make women evil, it's just their nature. Women are the gatekeepers for sex. Where women are allowed choice, they'll choose to sleep with the high value man every single time. Men are the gatekeepers of relationships. Ergo, those high value men will gladly pump and dump without a second thought. Unfortunately, the apps make it all too easy to engage in this bad behavior.

Women don't benefit from being used and most men don't value by being frozen out of the dating market. The high value guys, however, are loving life, even if it is a soulless existence of bouncing from one woman to the next. Civilization used to have rules to create better outcomes for the people. Unfortunately, folks thought they were smarter and could create progress by ignoring those new rules. Of course, the progress has been illusory and led to lower satisfaction, especially for women.

Never forget that women were happier in 1970 before all the progress of feminism.

Maybe these women also would rather enjoy the short term flings with higher value men rather than settling for boring couch surfers.

I don't think the apps killed it - they increase competition for men for more attractive women

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Anonymous wrote:I agree that the apps are really killing the dating scene. My friends who primarily dated before the apps became the default for dating had much better experiences than my friends who are using the apps now. While they can definitely work, my sister met her husband on a dating app, it seems like they have gamified dating to the point that people date for sport and can’t give it up.

Apps haven't killed the dating scene. Women's poor behavior has killed the dating scene.

Can you elaborate? I know women are ultimately to blame for everything- but how’d we ruin dating?

Not PP, but I'd assume the incel means women having opinions, hobbies that aren't serving a man, speaking their mind, speaking at all...

Agreed! I don’t use the aps and I’m a trust fund baby who is attractive and fit and successful. Women didn’t ruin the aps- aps are ruining dating.

I have choices I wouldn’t have had in 1970 and I never intend to go backwards. I’m grateful to have experienced marriage but (probably due to my bad choices!!!!) marriage was terrible for me. I won’t do that again.

That makes a lot of men, like you, who benefitted from our lack of choices in recent history, angry.

Oh well. Deal.