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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Did you read it?  Some said they could not speak and they blacked out and therefore could not withdraw consent even if they had given it!  Scary that this is your reaction is blaming the girls, and not concern for them and the horribly abusive culture we adults have created.[/quote]

I am not blaming them but making it clear it is a problem for both sexes.  OP was making it about boys only when both boys and girls need to be aware and parents need to speak to both.

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Seriously,  DID YOU READ IT?!?

Some of these girls have been seriously harmed or even died!![/quote]

So?   It appears to be consensual. Blaming this on boys is sexist.  And wrong. [/quote]

Is it truly consensual as in something that the girls would want for themselves even if they had never been exposed to porn? Or porn-addled guys asking for it (or just doing it without asking) and then she comes to see it as an expectation/a normal thing?

I’m not blaming it on boys BTW, I’m blaming it on porn. [/quote]

Motorcycling is more dangerous than erotic asphyxiation.

Some things that feel good are also dangerous.

It's not brainwashing, it's human nature.

Obviously consent is essential and people should be careful. [/quote]

Just stop.  It’s absolutely brainwashing.  The average woman does not want to be choked, EVER.  I’d like to think the average man also has no intrinsic desire to choke women.[/quote]
And that’s exactly why I think this is the current pearl-clutcher worry of the moment. Our kids are smarter, more compassionate, kinder, more sexually conservative,  than we think they are, and what they statistically should be. [/quote]

Kids are actually more extreme. There are fewer kids having normal sex, and more kids into kinks or no sex at all.[/quote]

This. I teach 18-22 year olds about communication in relationships and many of them have said piv sex is out. [/quote]

I teach middle school and they talk about and seem to be doing oral sex like kissing. It’s crazy. [/quote]
You mean girls are doing oral like kissing. That’s their currency. Boys are not equally reciprocating.[/quote]

No that's not the girls' "currency." Currency makes it sound like all girls always are in control of what they give or are asked to give. Oral sex is table stakes for some of these girls if they want to be involved with someone in some circles.

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Lol, what? They're certainly in control. No sympathy for a girl who complains about "having" to give oral to be accepted in the cool circle. She can just say no.

- NP who waited until she was married[/quote]

sorry but waiting until marriage is the dumbest thing ever.  Sex isn't sacred.  Horny teens like sex.  No one should be shamed for it. [/quote]

It's not the "dumbest thing ever" and it would solve a lot of problems. But since we don't want to go there we're going to have to talk about fun things like why choking is bad and how you can still spread disease through oral or anal. People like to think they're having fun, no strings attached, sex on a whim with strangers,  and how in control that makes them feel, but the reality is that a lot of people aren't having fun or liking it as much as you think they are.[/quote]

Waiting until marriage would not solve a lot of problems.  It would encourage early marriages which almost always end in divorce.  How dumb are you?

70% of marriages before 20 end in divorce in less than 10 years
60% of marriages between 20-25 end in divorce
Divorce rates drop to 24% for first marriages after the age 25.

You expect a bunch of teens and 20 something virgins roaming the earth.  Get real [/quote]

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