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Anonymous wrote:Did you read it? Some said they could not speak and they blacked out and therefore could not withdraw consent even if they had given it! Scary that this is your reaction is blaming the girls, and not concern for them and the horribly abusive culture we adults have created.

I am not blaming them but making it clear it is a problem for both sexes. OP was making it about boys only when both boys and girls need to be aware and parents need to speak to both.

Seriously, DID YOU READ IT?!?

Some of these girls have been seriously harmed or even died!!

So? It appears to be consensual. Blaming this on boys is sexist. And wrong.

Is it truly consensual as in something that the girls would want for themselves even if they had never been exposed to porn? Or porn-addled guys asking for it (or just doing it without asking) and then she comes to see it as an expectation/a normal thing?

I’m not blaming it on boys BTW, I’m blaming it on porn.

Motorcycling is more dangerous than erotic asphyxiation.

Some things that feel good are also dangerous.

It's not brainwashing, it's human nature.

Obviously consent is essential and people should be careful.

Just stop. It’s absolutely brainwashing. The average woman does not want to be choked, EVER. I’d like to think the average man also has no intrinsic desire to choke women.

And that’s exactly why I think this is the current pearl-clutcher worry of the moment. Our kids are smarter, more compassionate, kinder, more sexually conservative, than we think they are, and what they statistically should be.

Kids are actually more extreme. There are fewer kids having normal sex, and more kids into kinks or no sex at all.

This. I teach 18-22 year olds about communication in relationships and many of them have said piv sex is out.

I teach middle school and they talk about and seem to be doing oral sex like kissing. It’s crazy.

You mean girls are doing oral like kissing. That’s their currency. Boys are not equally reciprocating.

No that's not the girls' "currency." Currency makes it sound like all girls always are in control of what they give or are asked to give. Oral sex is table stakes for some of these girls if they want to be involved with someone in some circles.

Lol, what? They're certainly in control. No sympathy for a girl who complains about "having" to give oral to be accepted in the cool circle. She can just say no.

- NP who waited until she was married

sorry but waiting until marriage is the dumbest thing ever. Sex isn't sacred. Horny teens like sex. No one should be shamed for it.

It's not the "dumbest thing ever" and it would solve a lot of problems. But since we don't want to go there we're going to have to talk about fun things like why choking is bad and how you can still spread disease through oral or anal. People like to think they're having fun, no strings attached, sex on a whim with strangers, and how in control that makes them feel, but the reality is that a lot of people aren't having fun or liking it as much as you think they are.

Waiting until marriage would not solve a lot of problems. It would encourage early marriages which almost always end in divorce. How dumb are you?

70% of marriages before 20 end in divorce in less than 10 years
60% of marriages between 20-25 end in divorce
Divorce rates drop to 24% for first marriages after the age 25.

You expect a bunch of teens and 20 something virgins roaming the earth. Get real

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Anonymous wrote:Did you read it? Some said they could not speak and they blacked out and therefore could not withdraw consent even if they had given it! Scary that this is your reaction is blaming the girls, and not concern for them and the horribly abusive culture we adults have created.

I am not blaming them but making it clear it is a problem for both sexes. OP was making it about boys only when both boys and girls need to be aware and parents need to speak to both.

Seriously, DID YOU READ IT?!?

Some of these girls have been seriously harmed or even died!!

So? It appears to be consensual. Blaming this on boys is sexist. And wrong.

Is it truly consensual as in something that the girls would want for themselves even if they had never been exposed to porn? Or porn-addled guys asking for it (or just doing it without asking) and then she comes to see it as an expectation/a normal thing?

I’m not blaming it on boys BTW, I’m blaming it on porn.

Motorcycling is more dangerous than erotic asphyxiation.

Some things that feel good are also dangerous.

It's not brainwashing, it's human nature.

Obviously consent is essential and people should be careful.

Just stop. It’s absolutely brainwashing. The average woman does not want to be choked, EVER. I’d like to think the average man also has no intrinsic desire to choke women.

And that’s exactly why I think this is the current pearl-clutcher worry of the moment. Our kids are smarter, more compassionate, kinder, more sexually conservative, than we think they are, and what they statistically should be.

Kids are actually more extreme. There are fewer kids having normal sex, and more kids into kinks or no sex at all.

This. I teach 18-22 year olds about communication in relationships and many of them have said piv sex is out.

I teach middle school and they talk about and seem to be doing oral sex like kissing. It’s crazy.

You mean girls are doing oral like kissing. That’s their currency. Boys are not equally reciprocating.

No that's not the girls' "currency." Currency makes it sound like all girls always are in control of what they give or are asked to give. Oral sex is table stakes for some of these girls if they want to be involved with someone in some circles.

Lol, what? They're certainly in control. No sympathy for a girl who complains about "having" to give oral to be accepted in the cool circle. She can just say no.

- NP who waited until she was married

sorry but waiting until marriage is the dumbest thing ever. Sex isn't sacred. Horny teens like sex. No one should be shamed for it.

I wasn't shaming. Just saying that except in cases or rape, the girl is controlling whether she has sex. Like I did.

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Anonymous wrote:Did you read it? Some said they could not speak and they blacked out and therefore could not withdraw consent even if they had given it! Scary that this is your reaction is blaming the girls, and not concern for them and the horribly abusive culture we adults have created.

I am not blaming them but making it clear it is a problem for both sexes. OP was making it about boys only when both boys and girls need to be aware and parents need to speak to both.

Seriously, DID YOU READ IT?!?

Some of these girls have been seriously harmed or even died!!

So? It appears to be consensual. Blaming this on boys is sexist. And wrong.

Is it truly consensual as in something that the girls would want for themselves even if they had never been exposed to porn? Or porn-addled guys asking for it (or just doing it without asking) and then she comes to see it as an expectation/a normal thing?

I’m not blaming it on boys BTW, I’m blaming it on porn.

Motorcycling is more dangerous than erotic asphyxiation.

Some things that feel good are also dangerous.

It's not brainwashing, it's human nature.

Obviously consent is essential and people should be careful.

Just stop. It’s absolutely brainwashing. The average woman does not want to be choked, EVER. I’d like to think the average man also has no intrinsic desire to choke women.

And that’s exactly why I think this is the current pearl-clutcher worry of the moment. Our kids are smarter, more compassionate, kinder, more sexually conservative, than we think they are, and what they statistically should be.

Kids are actually more extreme. There are fewer kids having normal sex, and more kids into kinks or no sex at all.

This. I teach 18-22 year olds about communication in relationships and many of them have said piv sex is out.

I teach middle school and they talk about and seem to be doing oral sex like kissing. It’s crazy.

You mean girls are doing oral like kissing. That’s their currency. Boys are not equally reciprocating.

No that's not the girls' "currency." Currency makes it sound like all girls always are in control of what they give or are asked to give. Oral sex is table stakes for some of these girls if they want to be involved with someone in some circles.

Unless a girl is actually raped, then she absolutely IS in control of “what she gives”. Obviously she can’t control what is asked of her, but she is always free to use that magic word: no.

THIS is what PP’s meant when they said that you need to teach your daughters to have a freaking spine, BTW.

Fair. It is also fair that the double standards, the expectations . . .on girls is MUCH MORE pronounced than it is for boys. I know you know this. And that pressure sometimes wins. You chalking that up to "grow a spine" is repulsive and only part of htat equation. Teach your boys not to put so much pressure, not to expect 17 yos to sex it up like porn stars . . . for a start. They do play a role her too. And you will never convince me otherwise.

Listen, I am not some naive idiot who is going to raise my daughter to hope other people are always nice to her and always do the right thing. She is the ONLY person who is in control of what SHE chooses to do. My God, are you really telling me that parents no longer talk to their kids about peer pressure? Yeah, peer pressure sucks, whether it be for sex or drugs or alcohol, but ultimately YOUR decisions are YOUR responsibility.

So you can go ahead and raise your daughter to hope that the world is nothing but rainbows and kittens, and I will raise my daughter to be self-confident enough to know that if some jack@$$ boy asks her for nudes or oral or whatever she can and should tell him to F off.

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Anonymous wrote:Did you read it? Some said they could not speak and they blacked out and therefore could not withdraw consent even if they had given it! Scary that this is your reaction is blaming the girls, and not concern for them and the horribly abusive culture we adults have created.

I am not blaming them but making it clear it is a problem for both sexes. OP was making it about boys only when both boys and girls need to be aware and parents need to speak to both.

Seriously, DID YOU READ IT?!?

Some of these girls have been seriously harmed or even died!!

So? It appears to be consensual. Blaming this on boys is sexist. And wrong.

Is it truly consensual as in something that the girls would want for themselves even if they had never been exposed to porn? Or porn-addled guys asking for it (or just doing it without asking) and then she comes to see it as an expectation/a normal thing?

I’m not blaming it on boys BTW, I’m blaming it on porn.

Motorcycling is more dangerous than erotic asphyxiation.

Some things that feel good are also dangerous.

It's not brainwashing, it's human nature.

Obviously consent is essential and people should be careful.

Just stop. It’s absolutely brainwashing. The average woman does not want to be choked, EVER. I’d like to think the average man also has no intrinsic desire to choke women.

And that’s exactly why I think this is the current pearl-clutcher worry of the moment. Our kids are smarter, more compassionate, kinder, more sexually conservative, than we think they are, and what they statistically should be.

Kids are actually more extreme. There are fewer kids having normal sex, and more kids into kinks or no sex at all.

This. I teach 18-22 year olds about communication in relationships and many of them have said piv sex is out.

I teach middle school and they talk about and seem to be doing oral sex like kissing. It’s crazy.

You mean girls are doing oral like kissing. That’s their currency. Boys are not equally reciprocating.

No that's not the girls' "currency." Currency makes it sound like all girls always are in control of what they give or are asked to give. Oral sex is table stakes for some of these girls if they want to be involved with someone in some circles.

Unless a girl is actually raped, then she absolutely IS in control of “what she gives”. Obviously she can’t control what is asked of her, but she is always free to use that magic word: no.

THIS is what PP’s meant when they said that you need to teach your daughters to have a freaking spine, BTW.

Fair. It is also fair that the double standards, the expectations . . .on girls is MUCH MORE pronounced than it is for boys. I know you know this. And that pressure sometimes wins. You chalking that up to "grow a spine" is repulsive and only part of htat equation. Teach your boys not to put so much pressure, not to expect 17 yos to sex it up like porn stars . . . for a start. They do play a role her too. And you will never convince me otherwise.

How can you teach a boy to not ask for something freely and eagerly given in many cases?

Wait wait wait - are you saying the girls are lunging themselves at the boys begging to give blowjobs? And then in fact how can theses poor pressured boys say no? You can not be serious.

I mean you are all sitting here saying girls besides rape, can and should say no. They shouldn't feel any pressure from boys. So why the F can't boys say no. Why are girls slut shamed but boys are cool. Why should girls say no, but how can these poor boys not say no. I can't believe boy moms think like this. Shame on you

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Anonymous wrote:Did you read it? Some said they could not speak and they blacked out and therefore could not withdraw consent even if they had given it! Scary that this is your reaction is blaming the girls, and not concern for them and the horribly abusive culture we adults have created.

I am not blaming them but making it clear it is a problem for both sexes. OP was making it about boys only when both boys and girls need to be aware and parents need to speak to both.

Seriously, DID YOU READ IT?!?

Some of these girls have been seriously harmed or even died!!

So? It appears to be consensual. Blaming this on boys is sexist. And wrong.

Is it truly consensual as in something that the girls would want for themselves even if they had never been exposed to porn? Or porn-addled guys asking for it (or just doing it without asking) and then she comes to see it as an expectation/a normal thing?

I’m not blaming it on boys BTW, I’m blaming it on porn.

Motorcycling is more dangerous than erotic asphyxiation.

Some things that feel good are also dangerous.

It's not brainwashing, it's human nature.

Obviously consent is essential and people should be careful.

Just stop. It’s absolutely brainwashing. The average woman does not want to be choked, EVER. I’d like to think the average man also has no intrinsic desire to choke women.

And that’s exactly why I think this is the current pearl-clutcher worry of the moment. Our kids are smarter, more compassionate, kinder, more sexually conservative, than we think they are, and what they statistically should be.

Kids are actually more extreme. There are fewer kids having normal sex, and more kids into kinks or no sex at all.

This. I teach 18-22 year olds about communication in relationships and many of them have said piv sex is out.

I teach middle school and they talk about and seem to be doing oral sex like kissing. It’s crazy.

You mean girls are doing oral like kissing. That’s their currency. Boys are not equally reciprocating.

No that's not the girls' "currency." Currency makes it sound like all girls always are in control of what they give or are asked to give. Oral sex is table stakes for some of these girls if they want to be involved with someone in some circles.

Lol, what? They're certainly in control. No sympathy for a girl who complains about "having" to give oral to be accepted in the cool circle. She can just say no.

- NP who waited until she was married

sorry but waiting until marriage is the dumbest thing ever. Sex isn't sacred. Horny teens like sex. No one should be shamed for it.

It's not the "dumbest thing ever" and it would solve a lot of problems. But since we don't want to go there we're going to have to talk about fun things like why choking is bad and how you can still spread disease through oral or anal. People like to think they're having fun, no strings attached, sex on a whim with strangers, and how in control that makes them feel, but the reality is that a lot of people aren't having fun or liking it as much as you think they are.

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Anonymous wrote:Did you read it? Some said they could not speak and they blacked out and therefore could not withdraw consent even if they had given it! Scary that this is your reaction is blaming the girls, and not concern for them and the horribly abusive culture we adults have created.

I am not blaming them but making it clear it is a problem for both sexes. OP was making it about boys only when both boys and girls need to be aware and parents need to speak to both.

Seriously, DID YOU READ IT?!?

Some of these girls have been seriously harmed or even died!!

So? It appears to be consensual. Blaming this on boys is sexist. And wrong.

Is it truly consensual as in something that the girls would want for themselves even if they had never been exposed to porn? Or porn-addled guys asking for it (or just doing it without asking) and then she comes to see it as an expectation/a normal thing?

I’m not blaming it on boys BTW, I’m blaming it on porn.

Motorcycling is more dangerous than erotic asphyxiation.

Some things that feel good are also dangerous.

It's not brainwashing, it's human nature.

Obviously consent is essential and people should be careful.

Just stop. It’s absolutely brainwashing. The average woman does not want to be choked, EVER. I’d like to think the average man also has no intrinsic desire to choke women.

And that’s exactly why I think this is the current pearl-clutcher worry of the moment. Our kids are smarter, more compassionate, kinder, more sexually conservative, than we think they are, and what they statistically should be.

Kids are actually more extreme. There are fewer kids having normal sex, and more kids into kinks or no sex at all.

This. I teach 18-22 year olds about communication in relationships and many of them have said piv sex is out.

I teach middle school and they talk about and seem to be doing oral sex like kissing. It’s crazy.

You mean girls are doing oral like kissing. That’s their currency. Boys are not equally reciprocating.

No that's not the girls' "currency." Currency makes it sound like all girls always are in control of what they give or are asked to give. Oral sex is table stakes for some of these girls if they want to be involved with someone in some circles.

Lol, what? They're certainly in control. No sympathy for a girl who complains about "having" to give oral to be accepted in the cool circle. She can just say no.

- NP who waited until she was married

sorry but waiting until marriage is the dumbest thing ever. Sex isn't sacred. Horny teens like sex. No one should be shamed for it.

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Anonymous wrote:Did you read it? Some said they could not speak and they blacked out and therefore could not withdraw consent even if they had given it! Scary that this is your reaction is blaming the girls, and not concern for them and the horribly abusive culture we adults have created.

I am not blaming them but making it clear it is a problem for both sexes. OP was making it about boys only when both boys and girls need to be aware and parents need to speak to both.

Seriously, DID YOU READ IT?!?

Some of these girls have been seriously harmed or even died!!

So? It appears to be consensual. Blaming this on boys is sexist. And wrong.

Is it truly consensual as in something that the girls would want for themselves even if they had never been exposed to porn? Or porn-addled guys asking for it (or just doing it without asking) and then she comes to see it as an expectation/a normal thing?

I’m not blaming it on boys BTW, I’m blaming it on porn.

Motorcycling is more dangerous than erotic asphyxiation.

Some things that feel good are also dangerous.

It's not brainwashing, it's human nature.

Obviously consent is essential and people should be careful.

Just stop. It’s absolutely brainwashing. The average woman does not want to be choked, EVER. I’d like to think the average man also has no intrinsic desire to choke women.

And that’s exactly why I think this is the current pearl-clutcher worry of the moment. Our kids are smarter, more compassionate, kinder, more sexually conservative, than we think they are, and what they statistically should be.

Kids are actually more extreme. There are fewer kids having normal sex, and more kids into kinks or no sex at all.

This. I teach 18-22 year olds about communication in relationships and many of them have said piv sex is out.

I teach middle school and they talk about and seem to be doing oral sex like kissing. It’s crazy.

You mean girls are doing oral like kissing. That’s their currency. Boys are not equally reciprocating.

No that's not the girls' "currency." Currency makes it sound like all girls always are in control of what they give or are asked to give. Oral sex is table stakes for some of these girls if they want to be involved with someone in some circles.

Unless a girl is actually raped, then she absolutely IS in control of “what she gives”. Obviously she can’t control what is asked of her, but she is always free to use that magic word: no.

THIS is what PP’s meant when they said that you need to teach your daughters to have a freaking spine, BTW.

Fair. It is also fair that the double standards, the expectations . . .on girls is MUCH MORE pronounced than it is for boys. I know you know this. And that pressure sometimes wins. You chalking that up to "grow a spine" is repulsive and only part of htat equation. Teach your boys not to put so much pressure, not to expect 17 yos to sex it up like porn stars . . . for a start. They do play a role her too. And you will never convince me otherwise.

How can you teach a boy to not ask for something freely and eagerly given in many cases?

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These girls want to do it to win the boys, and then lord it over other girls.

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Anonymous wrote:Did you read it? Some said they could not speak and they blacked out and therefore could not withdraw consent even if they had given it! Scary that this is your reaction is blaming the girls, and not concern for them and the horribly abusive culture we adults have created.

I am not blaming them but making it clear it is a problem for both sexes. OP was making it about boys only when both boys and girls need to be aware and parents need to speak to both.

Seriously, DID YOU READ IT?!?

Some of these girls have been seriously harmed or even died!!

So? It appears to be consensual. Blaming this on boys is sexist. And wrong.

Is it truly consensual as in something that the girls would want for themselves even if they had never been exposed to porn? Or porn-addled guys asking for it (or just doing it without asking) and then she comes to see it as an expectation/a normal thing?

I’m not blaming it on boys BTW, I’m blaming it on porn.

Motorcycling is more dangerous than erotic asphyxiation.

Some things that feel good are also dangerous.

It's not brainwashing, it's human nature.

Obviously consent is essential and people should be careful.

Just stop. It’s absolutely brainwashing. The average woman does not want to be choked, EVER. I’d like to think the average man also has no intrinsic desire to choke women.

And that’s exactly why I think this is the current pearl-clutcher worry of the moment. Our kids are smarter, more compassionate, kinder, more sexually conservative, than we think they are, and what they statistically should be.

Kids are actually more extreme. There are fewer kids having normal sex, and more kids into kinks or no sex at all.

This. I teach 18-22 year olds about communication in relationships and many of them have said piv sex is out.

I teach middle school and they talk about and seem to be doing oral sex like kissing. It’s crazy.

You mean girls are doing oral like kissing. That’s their currency. Boys are not equally reciprocating.

No that's not the girls' "currency." Currency makes it sound like all girls always are in control of what they give or are asked to give. Oral sex is table stakes for some of these girls if they want to be involved with someone in some circles.

Unless a girl is actually raped, then she absolutely IS in control of “what she gives”. Obviously she can’t control what is asked of her, but she is always free to use that magic word: no.

THIS is what PP’s meant when they said that you need to teach your daughters to have a freaking spine, BTW.

Fair. It is also fair that the double standards, the expectations . . .on girls is MUCH MORE pronounced than it is for boys. I know you know this. And that pressure sometimes wins. You chalking that up to "grow a spine" is repulsive and only part of htat equation. Teach your boys not to put so much pressure, not to expect 17 yos to sex it up like porn stars . . . for a start. They do play a role her too. And you will never convince me otherwise.

How can you teach a boy to not ask for something freely and eagerly given in many cases?

Tell him to zip it back up.
HPV can be spread from oral.
(And don't tell me he has a condom on, probably not during oral)

So, abstinence for boys and nothing for girls? I have boys and a girl. I talk to all of them. You apparently don't want to have any hard conversations with your daughter. Be a parent.

Anonymous wrote:When I was a teen there were news stories about how kids were sticking vodka tampons up their butts, but I never encountered anyone who had done it. There’s just some quota for “troubling teen trend” stories.

Yeah, I'm thinking this is not the most scientifically methodical survey.

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Anonymous wrote:Did you read it? Some said they could not speak and they blacked out and therefore could not withdraw consent even if they had given it! Scary that this is your reaction is blaming the girls, and not concern for them and the horribly abusive culture we adults have created.

I am not blaming them but making it clear it is a problem for both sexes. OP was making it about boys only when both boys and girls need to be aware and parents need to speak to both.

Seriously, DID YOU READ IT?!?

Some of these girls have been seriously harmed or even died!!

So? It appears to be consensual. Blaming this on boys is sexist. And wrong.

Is it truly consensual as in something that the girls would want for themselves even if they had never been exposed to porn? Or porn-addled guys asking for it (or just doing it without asking) and then she comes to see it as an expectation/a normal thing?

I’m not blaming it on boys BTW, I’m blaming it on porn.

Motorcycling is more dangerous than erotic asphyxiation.

Some things that feel good are also dangerous.

It's not brainwashing, it's human nature.

Obviously consent is essential and people should be careful.

Just stop. It’s absolutely brainwashing. The average woman does not want to be choked, EVER. I’d like to think the average man also has no intrinsic desire to choke women.

And that’s exactly why I think this is the current pearl-clutcher worry of the moment. Our kids are smarter, more compassionate, kinder, more sexually conservative, than we think they are, and what they statistically should be.

Kids are actually more extreme. There are fewer kids having normal sex, and more kids into kinks or no sex at all.

This. I teach 18-22 year olds about communication in relationships and many of them have said piv sex is out.

I teach middle school and they talk about and seem to be doing oral sex like kissing. It’s crazy.

You mean girls are doing oral like kissing. That’s their currency. Boys are not equally reciprocating.

No that's not the girls' "currency." Currency makes it sound like all girls always are in control of what they give or are asked to give. Oral sex is table stakes for some of these girls if they want to be involved with someone in some circles.

Unless a girl is actually raped, then she absolutely IS in control of “what she gives”. Obviously she can’t control what is asked of her, but she is always free to use that magic word: no.

THIS is what PP’s meant when they said that you need to teach your daughters to have a freaking spine, BTW.

+1000

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Anonymous wrote:Did you read it? Some said they could not speak and they blacked out and therefore could not withdraw consent even if they had given it! Scary that this is your reaction is blaming the girls, and not concern for them and the horribly abusive culture we adults have created.

I am not blaming them but making it clear it is a problem for both sexes. OP was making it about boys only when both boys and girls need to be aware and parents need to speak to both.

Seriously, DID YOU READ IT?!?

Some of these girls have been seriously harmed or even died!!

So? It appears to be consensual. Blaming this on boys is sexist. And wrong.

Is it truly consensual as in something that the girls would want for themselves even if they had never been exposed to porn? Or porn-addled guys asking for it (or just doing it without asking) and then she comes to see it as an expectation/a normal thing?

I’m not blaming it on boys BTW, I’m blaming it on porn.

Motorcycling is more dangerous than erotic asphyxiation.

Some things that feel good are also dangerous.

It's not brainwashing, it's human nature.

Obviously consent is essential and people should be careful.

Just stop. It’s absolutely brainwashing. The average woman does not want to be choked, EVER. I’d like to think the average man also has no intrinsic desire to choke women.

And that’s exactly why I think this is the current pearl-clutcher worry of the moment. Our kids are smarter, more compassionate, kinder, more sexually conservative, than we think they are, and what they statistically should be.

Kids are actually more extreme. There are fewer kids having normal sex, and more kids into kinks or no sex at all.

This. I teach 18-22 year olds about communication in relationships and many of them have said piv sex is out.

I teach middle school and they talk about and seem to be doing oral sex like kissing. It’s crazy.

You mean girls are doing oral like kissing. That’s their currency. Boys are not equally reciprocating.

No that's not the girls' "currency." Currency makes it sound like all girls always are in control of what they give or are asked to give. Oral sex is table stakes for some of these girls if they want to be involved with someone in some circles.

Lol, what? They're certainly in control. No sympathy for a girl who complains about "having" to give oral to be accepted in the cool circle. She can just say no.

- NP who waited until she was married

I can have sympathy for them. They may not have had the same upbringing as me with the same strong family connection and the need to belong and feel wanted is strong at that age. How can you not look at these young kids and not feel sympathy for them? I wish them all well during this time.
- the PP you are quoting who also waited until she was married

I don't think those are related. In any case, excepting instances of rape, women are definitely in control of whether they have sex or not. It's a choice to do so.

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Anonymous wrote:Did you read it? Some said they could not speak and they blacked out and therefore could not withdraw consent even if they had given it! Scary that this is your reaction is blaming the girls, and not concern for them and the horribly abusive culture we adults have created.

I am not blaming them but making it clear it is a problem for both sexes. OP was making it about boys only when both boys and girls need to be aware and parents need to speak to both.

Seriously, DID YOU READ IT?!?

Some of these girls have been seriously harmed or even died!!

So? It appears to be consensual. Blaming this on boys is sexist. And wrong.

Is it truly consensual as in something that the girls would want for themselves even if they had never been exposed to porn? Or porn-addled guys asking for it (or just doing it without asking) and then she comes to see it as an expectation/a normal thing?

I’m not blaming it on boys BTW, I’m blaming it on porn.

Motorcycling is more dangerous than erotic asphyxiation.

Some things that feel good are also dangerous.

It's not brainwashing, it's human nature.

Obviously consent is essential and people should be careful.

Just stop. It’s absolutely brainwashing. The average woman does not want to be choked, EVER. I’d like to think the average man also has no intrinsic desire to choke women.

And that’s exactly why I think this is the current pearl-clutcher worry of the moment. Our kids are smarter, more compassionate, kinder, more sexually conservative, than we think they are, and what they statistically should be.

Kids are actually more extreme. There are fewer kids having normal sex, and more kids into kinks or no sex at all.

This. I teach 18-22 year olds about communication in relationships and many of them have said piv sex is out.

I teach middle school and they talk about and seem to be doing oral sex like kissing. It’s crazy.

You mean girls are doing oral like kissing. That’s their currency. Boys are not equally reciprocating.

No that's not the girls' "currency." Currency makes it sound like all girls always are in control of what they give or are asked to give. Oral sex is table stakes for some of these girls if they want to be involved with someone in some circles.

Lol, what? They're certainly in control. No sympathy for a girl who complains about "having" to give oral to be accepted in the cool circle. She can just say no.

- NP who waited until she was married

I can have sympathy for them. They may not have had the same upbringing as me with the same strong family connection and the need to belong and feel wanted is strong at that age. How can you not look at these young kids and not feel sympathy for them? I wish them all well during this time.
- the PP you are quoting who also waited until she was married

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Anonymous wrote:Did you read it? Some said they could not speak and they blacked out and therefore could not withdraw consent even if they had given it! Scary that this is your reaction is blaming the girls, and not concern for them and the horribly abusive culture we adults have created.

I am not blaming them but making it clear it is a problem for both sexes. OP was making it about boys only when both boys and girls need to be aware and parents need to speak to both.

Seriously, DID YOU READ IT?!?

Some of these girls have been seriously harmed or even died!!

So? It appears to be consensual. Blaming this on boys is sexist. And wrong.

Is it truly consensual as in something that the girls would want for themselves even if they had never been exposed to porn? Or porn-addled guys asking for it (or just doing it without asking) and then she comes to see it as an expectation/a normal thing?

I’m not blaming it on boys BTW, I’m blaming it on porn.

Motorcycling is more dangerous than erotic asphyxiation.

Some things that feel good are also dangerous.

It's not brainwashing, it's human nature.

Obviously consent is essential and people should be careful.

Just stop. It’s absolutely brainwashing. The average woman does not want to be choked, EVER. I’d like to think the average man also has no intrinsic desire to choke women.

And that’s exactly why I think this is the current pearl-clutcher worry of the moment. Our kids are smarter, more compassionate, kinder, more sexually conservative, than we think they are, and what they statistically should be.

Kids are actually more extreme. There are fewer kids having normal sex, and more kids into kinks or no sex at all.

This. I teach 18-22 year olds about communication in relationships and many of them have said piv sex is out.

I teach middle school and they talk about and seem to be doing oral sex like kissing. It’s crazy.

You mean girls are doing oral like kissing. That’s their currency. Boys are not equally reciprocating.

No that's not the girls' "currency." Currency makes it sound like all girls always are in control of what they give or are asked to give. Oral sex is table stakes for some of these girls if they want to be involved with someone in some circles.

Lol, what? They're certainly in control. No sympathy for a girl who complains about "having" to give oral to be accepted in the cool circle. She can just say no.

- NP who waited until she was married

Anonymous wrote:#boymoms need to step up and talk to their sons about this and stop it from happening. It can’t be all on the girls to stop these types of behaviors.

You're not a feminist OR a good person if you blame women for having male children.

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Anonymous wrote:Did you read it? Some said they could not speak and they blacked out and therefore could not withdraw consent even if they had given it! Scary that this is your reaction is blaming the girls, and not concern for them and the horribly abusive culture we adults have created.

I am not blaming them but making it clear it is a problem for both sexes. OP was making it about boys only when both boys and girls need to be aware and parents need to speak to both.

Seriously, DID YOU READ IT?!?

Some of these girls have been seriously harmed or even died!!

So? It appears to be consensual. Blaming this on boys is sexist. And wrong.

Is it truly consensual as in something that the girls would want for themselves even if they had never been exposed to porn? Or porn-addled guys asking for it (or just doing it without asking) and then she comes to see it as an expectation/a normal thing?

I’m not blaming it on boys BTW, I’m blaming it on porn.

Motorcycling is more dangerous than erotic asphyxiation.

Some things that feel good are also dangerous.

It's not brainwashing, it's human nature.

Obviously consent is essential and people should be careful.

Just stop. It’s absolutely brainwashing. The average woman does not want to be choked, EVER. I’d like to think the average man also has no intrinsic desire to choke women.

And that’s exactly why I think this is the current pearl-clutcher worry of the moment. Our kids are smarter, more compassionate, kinder, more sexually conservative, than we think they are, and what they statistically should be.

Kids are actually more extreme. There are fewer kids having normal sex, and more kids into kinks or no sex at all.

This. I teach 18-22 year olds about communication in relationships and many of them have said piv sex is out.

I teach middle school and they talk about and seem to be doing oral sex like kissing. It’s crazy.

You mean girls are doing oral like kissing. That’s their currency. Boys are not equally reciprocating.

No that's not the girls' "currency." Currency makes it sound like all girls always are in control of what they give or are asked to give. Oral sex is table stakes for some of these girls if they want to be involved with someone in some circles.

You’re saying the same thing. Currency doesn’t mean that they are in charge. It means it’s what they think they have to offer.