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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Ugh, this is why women have lower net worth than men. Can we NOT chase each other down this rabbit hole.

I have no doubt a little Botox and fillers could make me look better. But if I do it, then I'll want to keep doing it. It get's expensive! I'd rather stick that money in a money market account and grow it. I'd rather have "deep 11s" and deeper pockets than a smooth forehead and have to work an extra 5 years to pay for it.

But as this becomes the norm, now women whose faces age more normally will face more age and looks-based discrimination. Great.

We could also just not.[/quote]

No girl, this is not why women have lower net worth than men. Not even close. And we’re never going to stop spending money to look good, so I guess you just have to die mad about it. [b]I’m sure your marginally higher brokerage account more than makes up for it though[/b] [/quote]

I spend about $600 on Botox every 4 months. That is $1,800/year. That is < 1% of my salary (and even less of our overall HHI). So for a relatively small fraction of our income, I can keep my face looking refreshed and more youthful looking. It feels like a good investment in myself.

And how in the world would this equate to needing to work 5 whole extra years? [/quote]

I spend the same per year. Just did the math. It’s 0.16 percent of my annual income. It’s 0.09 percent of our household income. I don’t waste any money on dumb creams or facial treatments (other than very cheap tret). I get my hair done for $250 every two months. But I don’t waste any money on nails, lashes or brows, or the other things I can’t believe people spend on. My Botox bill is a really small line item and makes a huge difference in how I feel, and I’m not spending my money on other stuff. Why not? [/quote]

Good for both of you-- you are both very high income. The issue being discussed is that if Botox becomes standard, it puts women at lower income in the position of feeling pressure to do spend more than they can justifiably afford just to keep up with a beauty standard. See, for instance, the PP who doesn't do it because they will be borrowing money to fund their kids' college. That's the more common situation.

If regular Botox is less than 1% of your personal income, just assume the conversation about affordability doesn't apply to you. But maybe have some self awareness about your financial situation, which is not typical, and don't hold other women to a beauty standard it would be prohibitively expensive for them to participate in.[/quote]

This whole argument is just a flop.  Botox IS standard for one thing, but so are a nice work wardrobe or haircut that also puts “women at lower income in the position of feeling pressure to spend more.”  I mean, you could say that about anything that puts a person in an attractive position at work.  Trying to shame women for wanting to look good and declaring them to be “shallow morons” is not persuasive.  In this world, we try to look our best on the job.  It helps us to feel more confident and professional, and that is totally normal and ok.[/quote]

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