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Anonymous wrote:Ugh, this is why women have lower net worth than men. Can we NOT chase each other down this rabbit hole.

I have no doubt a little Botox and fillers could make me look better. But if I do it, then I'll want to keep doing it. It get's expensive! I'd rather stick that money in a money market account and grow it. I'd rather have "deep 11s" and deeper pockets than a smooth forehead and have to work an extra 5 years to pay for it.

But as this becomes the norm, now women whose faces age more normally will face more age and looks-based discrimination. Great.

We could also just not.

No girl, this is not why women have lower net worth than men. Not even close. And we’re never going to stop spending money to look good, so I guess you just have to die mad about it. I’m sure your marginally higher brokerage account more than makes up for it though

I spend about $600 on Botox every 4 months. That is $1,800/year. That is < 1% of my salary (and even less of our overall HHI). So for a relatively small fraction of our income, I can keep my face looking refreshed and more youthful looking. It feels like a good investment in myself.

And how in the world would this equate to needing to work 5 whole extra years?

I spend the same per year. Just did the math. It’s 0.16 percent of my annual income. It’s 0.09 percent of our household income. I don’t waste any money on dumb creams or facial treatments (other than very cheap tret). I get my hair done for $250 every two months. But I don’t waste any money on nails, lashes or brows, or the other things I can’t believe people spend on. My Botox bill is a really small line item and makes a huge difference in how I feel, and I’m not spending my money on other stuff. Why not?

Good for both of you-- you are both very high income. The issue being discussed is that if Botox becomes standard, it puts women at lower income in the position of feeling pressure to do spend more than they can justifiably afford just to keep up with a beauty standard. See, for instance, the PP who doesn't do it because they will be borrowing money to fund their kids' college. That's the more common situation.

If regular Botox is less than 1% of your personal income, just assume the conversation about affordability doesn't apply to you. But maybe have some self awareness about your financial situation, which is not typical, and don't hold other women to a beauty standard it would be prohibitively expensive for them to participate in.

This whole argument is just a flop. Botox IS standard for one thing, but so are a nice work wardrobe or haircut that also puts “women at lower income in the position of feeling pressure to spend more.” I mean, you could say that about anything that puts a person in an attractive position at work. Trying to shame women for wanting to look good and declaring them to be “shallow morons” is not persuasive. In this world, we try to look our best on the job. It helps us to feel more confident and professional, and that is totally normal and ok.

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Anonymous wrote:Ugh, this is why women have lower net worth than men. Can we NOT chase each other down this rabbit hole.

I have no doubt a little Botox and fillers could make me look better. But if I do it, then I'll want to keep doing it. It get's expensive! I'd rather stick that money in a money market account and grow it. I'd rather have "deep 11s" and deeper pockets than a smooth forehead and have to work an extra 5 years to pay for it.

But as this becomes the norm, now women whose faces age more normally will face more age and looks-based discrimination. Great.

We could also just not.

No girl, this is not why women have lower net worth than men. Not even close. And we’re never going to stop spending money to look good, so I guess you just have to die mad about it. I’m sure your marginally higher brokerage account more than makes up for it though

I spend about $600 on Botox every 4 months. That is $1,800/year. That is < 1% of my salary (and even less of our overall HHI). So for a relatively small fraction of our income, I can keep my face looking refreshed and more youthful looking. It feels like a good investment in myself.

And how in the world would this equate to needing to work 5 whole extra years?

I spend the same per year. Just did the math. It’s 0.16 percent of my annual income. It’s 0.09 percent of our household income. I don’t waste any money on dumb creams or facial treatments (other than very cheap tret). I get my hair done for $250 every two months. But I don’t waste any money on nails, lashes or brows, or the other things I can’t believe people spend on. My Botox bill is a really small line item and makes a huge difference in how I feel, and I’m not spending my money on other stuff. Why not?

Good for both of you-- you are both very high income. The issue being discussed is that if Botox becomes standard, it puts women at lower income in the position of feeling pressure to do spend more than they can justifiably afford just to keep up with a beauty standard. See, for instance, the PP who doesn't do it because they will be borrowing money to fund their kids' college. That's the more common situation.

If regular Botox is less than 1% of your personal income, just assume the conversation about affordability doesn't apply to you. But maybe have some self awareness about your financial situation, which is not typical, and don't hold other women to a beauty standard it would be prohibitively expensive for them to participate in.

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Anonymous wrote:Ugh, this is why women have lower net worth than men. Can we NOT chase each other down this rabbit hole.

I have no doubt a little Botox and fillers could make me look better. But if I do it, then I'll want to keep doing it. It get's expensive! I'd rather stick that money in a money market account and grow it. I'd rather have "deep 11s" and deeper pockets than a smooth forehead and have to work an extra 5 years to pay for it.

But as this becomes the norm, now women whose faces age more normally will face more age and looks-based discrimination. Great.

We could also just not.

No girl, this is not why women have lower net worth than men. Not even close. And we’re never going to stop spending money to look good, so I guess you just have to die mad about it. I’m sure your marginally higher brokerage account more than makes up for it though

I spend about $600 on Botox every 4 months. That is $1,800/year. That is < 1% of my salary (and even less of our overall HHI). So for a relatively small fraction of our income, I can keep my face looking refreshed and more youthful looking. It feels like a good investment in myself.

And how in the world would this equate to needing to work 5 whole extra years?

I spend the same per year. Just did the math. It’s 0.16 percent of my annual income. It’s 0.09 percent of our household income. I don’t waste any money on dumb creams or facial treatments (other than very cheap tret). I get my hair done for $250 every two months. But I don’t waste any money on nails, lashes or brows, or the other things I can’t believe people spend on. My Botox bill is a really small line item and makes a huge difference in how I feel, and I’m not spending my money on other stuff. Why not?

Anonymous wrote:My white friends have all been doing it for years at this point (we’re all in late 30s/early 40s) but the Asians, Black women and Latina’s haven’t started yet.

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Anonymous wrote:Ugh, this is why women have lower net worth than men. Can we NOT chase each other down this rabbit hole.

I have no doubt a little Botox and fillers could make me look better. But if I do it, then I'll want to keep doing it. It get's expensive! I'd rather stick that money in a money market account and grow it. I'd rather have "deep 11s" and deeper pockets than a smooth forehead and have to work an extra 5 years to pay for it.

But as this becomes the norm, now women whose faces age more normally will face more age and looks-based discrimination. Great.

We could also just not.

No girl, this is not why women have lower net worth than men. Not even close. And we’re never going to stop spending money to look good, so I guess you just have to die mad about it. I’m sure your marginally higher brokerage account more than makes up for it though

I spend about $600 on Botox every 4 months. That is $1,800/year. That is < 1% of my salary (and even less of our overall HHI). So for a relatively small fraction of our income, I can keep my face looking refreshed and more youthful looking. It feels like a good investment in myself.

And how in the world would this equate to needing to work 5 whole extra years?

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Anonymous wrote:Ugh, this is why women have lower net worth than men. Can we NOT chase each other down this rabbit hole.

I have no doubt a little Botox and fillers could make me look better. But if I do it, then I'll want to keep doing it. It get's expensive! I'd rather stick that money in a money market account and grow it. I'd rather have "deep 11s" and deeper pockets than a smooth forehead and have to work an extra 5 years to pay for it.

But as this becomes the norm, now women whose faces age more normally will face more age and looks-based discrimination. Great.

We could also just not.

I disagree. Even men need to care for their looks to be successful as they age.

It's not even close to even.

That said, how you look shouldn't be the reason you are or are not successful unless perhaps you are a model. Success should depend on what you do and how competent you are, not how many wrinkles you do or don't have. The worst part of all of this is that you all just accept that you "have" to play this game. No one seems bothered which is sick. If you go along with it, you're part of the problem.

Shallow morons.

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Anonymous wrote:Ugh, this is why women have lower net worth than men. Can we NOT chase each other down this rabbit hole.

I have no doubt a little Botox and fillers could make me look better. But if I do it, then I'll want to keep doing it. It get's expensive! I'd rather stick that money in a money market account and grow it. I'd rather have "deep 11s" and deeper pockets than a smooth forehead and have to work an extra 5 years to pay for it.

But as this becomes the norm, now women whose faces age more normally will face more age and looks-based discrimination. Great.

We could also just not.

I disagree. Even men need to care for their looks to be successful as they age.

Anonymous wrote:I work in a clinic that does Botox. You’d be surprised at the variety of people we get who come in for Botox. Old, young, male, female, all races, all ethnicities, all socioeconomic levels (it amazes me how some people will put hundreds of dollars toward Botox but complain they don’t have money for other important things).

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Anonymous wrote:Ugh, this is why women have lower net worth than men. Can we NOT chase each other down this rabbit hole.

I have no doubt a little Botox and fillers could make me look better. But if I do it, then I'll want to keep doing it. It get's expensive! I'd rather stick that money in a money market account and grow it. I'd rather have "deep 11s" and deeper pockets than a smooth forehead and have to work an extra 5 years to pay for it.

But as this becomes the norm, now women whose faces age more normally will face more age and looks-based discrimination. Great.

We could also just not.

No girl, this is not why women have lower net worth than men. Not even close. And we’re never going to stop spending money to look good, so I guess you just have to die mad about it. I’m sure your marginally higher brokerage account more than makes up for it though

Anonymous wrote:I haven’t at 43 but I don’t know, maybe I will if I think it could help with ageism. The issue is I feel it looks really good and subtle at first, but then so obvious within a couple of years? Like the outer parts of the eyebrows go way higher than the inner parts so it looks like a perpetual frown or intense frown/smile look when smiling. Do others notice this too?