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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Lots of delusional people here. None of this would have even happened if Trump had won. Turns out mean tweeting and then doing selective strikes when some nutjob leader pushes a boundary is fairly effective to keep people in line.

There's a reason foreign policy was not a topic in the last Presidential debates- there was nothing to debate![/quote]
Our foreign policy became weaker under Trump.

-former R[/quote]

I'm not sure how you can say that with a straight face when we had several years of world peace for the first time in decades under Trump. [/quote]
That was correlation rather than causation.

Once again, Trump weakened NATO, so Putin didn't feel the need to invade Ukraine.  Once Trump left office, Putin knew that Biden would go back to supporting NATO. Hence the attack on Ukraine to create a buffer between western Europe and Russia.

Trump's foreign policy is basically to capitulate to evil dictators.  I suppose to MAGA, that's how they role. They like evil dictators.[/quote]

Well yeah how about not tormenting Putin with NATO and avoiding a big war? Works for me!
There are too many evil dictators the US doesn’t care about - how about we don’t care indiscriminately?
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so, you agree that the only reason Putin didn't invade Ukraine under Trump's regime is because Trump wanted to weaken NATO, our allies, right?

A weak NATO is also a weaker US.

And Putin has been tormenting its neighbors for many years; he has been wanting to reanimate the USSR for a while. That is a threat against peace and stability in Europe and the world.[/quote]

I think we should have left Russia alone, that’s what I think.
No tampering with Georgia Republic or Ukraine or whatever countries in his orbit so to speak 
[b]I don’t believe in NATO growth for growth’s sake[/b]
It may not sound right but it may have saved many innocent people from being in the war 
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NATO is a defensive alliance. It doesn't "grow for growth's sake".  It doesn't seek out new members.  Instead it has what is called an "open door policy".  States who have an interest in Euro-Atlantic security and who are stable democracies capable of contributing to security can *apply* to be members. They must be voted in by all NATO members.  "Open Door Policy" means that no country outside of NATO can determine who is in NATO.

Those countries who sought NATO membership did so at the behest of their national leadership and citizens.  Since the devolution of the Soviet Union under Gorbachev, the states that have joined - Czechia, Slovakia, Poland, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Hungary, Romania - all applied out of well-justified historic fear of being attacked by Russia.

As for the idea of the US and Russia carving up the world into agreed upon spheres of influence - well Yalta didn't really work out well for those who were carved up there. We don't need a second Yalta in which Russia is given power over countries whose influence it couldn't earn by example or practice.  Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014 and created "statelets" run by criminal elite who didn't know how to run the government. Instead they just trashed the place.  [/quote]

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