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Anonymous wrote:Lots of delusional people here. None of this would have even happened if Trump had won. Turns out mean tweeting and then doing selective strikes when some nutjob leader pushes a boundary is fairly effective to keep people in line.

There's a reason foreign policy was not a topic in the last Presidential debates- there was nothing to debate!

Our foreign policy became weaker under Trump.

-former R

I'm not sure how you can say that with a straight face when we had several years of world peace for the first time in decades under Trump.

That was correlation rather than causation.

Once again, Trump weakened NATO, so Putin didn't feel the need to invade Ukraine. Once Trump left office, Putin knew that Biden would go back to supporting NATO. Hence the attack on Ukraine to create a buffer between western Europe and Russia.

Trump's foreign policy is basically to capitulate to evil dictators. I suppose to MAGA, that's how they role. They like evil dictators.

Well yeah how about not tormenting Putin with NATO and avoiding a big war? Works for me!
There are too many evil dictators the US doesn’t care about - how about we don’t care indiscriminately?

Sergei, dude... come up with new talking points. That one was already stale, old debunked junk when y'all first rolled it out in February 2022.
There is ZERO credible evidence whatsoever that NATO was "tormenting" Putin. NATO is a defensive coalition. A deterrence coalition. A fsck around / find out organization. They don't do anything until you try doing something to them. And then you find out.

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Anonymous wrote:Wouldn’t have happened. That was the strength of his foreign policy. No one wanted to be on the receiving end of batsh*t crazy.

Now the know America will do nothing.

+1. Only two wars so far started under Biden but hey, still another 14 months to go.

Putin would not have needed to invade Ukraine, because the Orange Man would have given Putin Ukraine.

This. Trump would have handed Ukraine over to Russia with no support. He invited the Taliban to Camp David (and left the Afghani Govt out) which led to the awful withdrawal, he gave the Saudi govt to assimilate that journalist and he betrayed Kurdish allies in support of Russia.

There was nothing peaceful or stabilizing about Trump’s chaotic foreign policy approach. The only consistent things were him kissing Putin’s a&$ and grifting his way through the Middle East and his daughter through China.

Trump's foreign policy is to make nice with evil dictators. It was horrifying watching him kowtow to them.

-former R

I doubt you're a former R.

I am not a R and never was but even I acknowledge there were realist aspects to Trump's foreign policy that now makes even more sense in light of the events of the last few years. But I know there are posters on here who cannot see him as anything but the Devil reincarnate so it's pointless having these threads.

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of delusional people here. None of this would have even happened if Trump had won. Turns out mean tweeting and then doing selective strikes when some nutjob leader pushes a boundary is fairly effective to keep people in line.

There's a reason foreign policy was not a topic in the last Presidential debates- there was nothing to debate!

Our foreign policy became weaker under Trump.

-former R

I'm not sure how you can say that with a straight face when we had several years of world peace for the first time in decades under Trump.

That was correlation rather than causation.

Once again, Trump weakened NATO, so Putin didn't feel the need to invade Ukraine. Once Trump left office, Putin knew that Biden would go back to supporting NATO. Hence the attack on Ukraine to create a buffer between western Europe and Russia.

Trump's foreign policy is basically to capitulate to evil dictators. I suppose to MAGA, that's how they role. They like evil dictators.

Well yeah how about not tormenting Putin with NATO and avoiding a big war? Works for me!
There are too many evil dictators the US doesn’t care about - how about we don’t care indiscriminately?

so, you agree that the only reason Putin didn't invade Ukraine under Trump's regime is because Trump wanted to weaken NATO, our allies, right?

A weak NATO is also a weaker US.

And Putin has been tormenting its neighbors for many years; he has been wanting to reanimate the USSR for a while. That is a threat against peace and stability in Europe and the world.

I think we should have left Russia alone, that’s what I think.
No tampering with Georgia Republic or Ukraine or whatever countries in his orbit so to speak
I don’t believe in NATO growth for growth’s sake
It may not sound right but it may have saved many innocent people from being in the war

NATO is a defensive alliance. It doesn't "grow for growth's sake". It doesn't seek out new members. Instead it has what is called an "open door policy". States who have an interest in Euro-Atlantic security and who are stable democracies capable of contributing to security can *apply* to be members. They must be voted in by all NATO members. "Open Door Policy" means that no country outside of NATO can determine who is in NATO.

Those countries who sought NATO membership did so at the behest of their national leadership and citizens. Since the devolution of the Soviet Union under Gorbachev, the states that have joined - Czechia, Slovakia, Poland, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Hungary, Romania - all applied out of well-justified historic fear of being attacked by Russia.

As for the idea of the US and Russia carving up the world into agreed upon spheres of influence - well Yalta didn't really work out well for those who were carved up there. We don't need a second Yalta in which Russia is given power over countries whose influence it couldn't earn by example or practice. Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014 and created "statelets" run by criminal elite who didn't know how to run the government. Instead they just trashed the place.

Nobody entertains the idea of joining NATO unless they are given a hint that there is hope.
As for Yalta, it worked out well enough in that there were no wars in Europe
Good enough for me!

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of delusional people here. None of this would have even happened if Trump had won. Turns out mean tweeting and then doing selective strikes when some nutjob leader pushes a boundary is fairly effective to keep people in line.

There's a reason foreign policy was not a topic in the last Presidential debates- there was nothing to debate!

Our foreign policy became weaker under Trump.

-former R

I'm not sure how you can say that with a straight face when we had several years of world peace for the first time in decades under Trump.

That was correlation rather than causation.

Once again, Trump weakened NATO, so Putin didn't feel the need to invade Ukraine. Once Trump left office, Putin knew that Biden would go back to supporting NATO. Hence the attack on Ukraine to create a buffer between western Europe and Russia.

Trump's foreign policy is basically to capitulate to evil dictators. I suppose to MAGA, that's how they role. They like evil dictators.

Well yeah how about not tormenting Putin with NATO and avoiding a big war? Works for me!
There are too many evil dictators the US doesn’t care about - how about we don’t care indiscriminately?

so, you agree that the only reason Putin didn't invade Ukraine under Trump's regime is because Trump wanted to weaken NATO, our allies, right?

A weak NATO is also a weaker US.

And Putin has been tormenting its neighbors for many years; he has been wanting to reanimate the USSR for a while. That is a threat against peace and stability in Europe and the world.

I think we should have left Russia alone, that’s what I think.
No tampering with Georgia Republic or Ukraine or whatever countries in his orbit so to speak
I don’t believe in NATO growth for growth’s sake
It may not sound right but it may have saved many innocent people from being in the war

NATO is a defensive alliance. It doesn't "grow for growth's sake". It doesn't seek out new members. Instead it has what is called an "open door policy". States who have an interest in Euro-Atlantic security and who are stable democracies capable of contributing to security can *apply* to be members. They must be voted in by all NATO members. "Open Door Policy" means that no country outside of NATO can determine who is in NATO.

Those countries who sought NATO membership did so at the behest of their national leadership and citizens. Since the devolution of the Soviet Union under Gorbachev, the states that have joined - Czechia, Slovakia, Poland, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Hungary, Romania - all applied out of well-justified historic fear of being attacked by Russia.

As for the idea of the US and Russia carving up the world into agreed upon spheres of influence - well Yalta didn't really work out well for those who were carved up there. We don't need a second Yalta in which Russia is given power over countries whose influence it couldn't earn by example or practice. Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014 and created "statelets" run by criminal elite who didn't know how to run the government. Instead they just trashed the place.

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of delusional people here. None of this would have even happened if Trump had won. Turns out mean tweeting and then doing selective strikes when some nutjob leader pushes a boundary is fairly effective to keep people in line.

There's a reason foreign policy was not a topic in the last Presidential debates- there was nothing to debate!

Our foreign policy became weaker under Trump.

-former R

I'm not sure how you can say that with a straight face when we had several years of world peace for the first time in decades under Trump.

That was correlation rather than causation.

Once again, Trump weakened NATO, so Putin didn't feel the need to invade Ukraine. Once Trump left office, Putin knew that Biden would go back to supporting NATO. Hence the attack on Ukraine to create a buffer between western Europe and Russia.

Trump's foreign policy is basically to capitulate to evil dictators. I suppose to MAGA, that's how they role. They like evil dictators.

Well yeah how about not tormenting Putin with NATO and avoiding a big war? Works for me!
There are too many evil dictators the US doesn’t care about - how about we don’t care indiscriminately?

so, you agree that the only reason Putin didn't invade Ukraine under Trump's regime is because Trump wanted to weaken NATO, our allies, right?

A weak NATO is also a weaker US.

And Putin has been tormenting its neighbors for many years; he has been wanting to reanimate the USSR for a while. That is a threat against peace and stability in Europe and the world.

I think we should have left Russia alone, that’s what I think.
No tampering with Georgia Republic or Ukraine or whatever countries in his orbit so to speak
I don’t believe in NATO growth for growth’s sake
It may not sound right but it may have saved many innocent people from being in the war

Chamberlain reincarnated.

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Wouldn’t have happened. That was the strength of his foreign policy. No one wanted to be on the receiving end of batsh*t crazy.

Now the know America will do nothing. [/quote]

+1. Only two wars so far started under Biden but hey, still another 14 months to go. [/quote]

How is Putin invading Ukraine or Hamas attacking Israel Biden's fault
If anything, Trump is more likely to be responsible for Putin because we don't know what he promised Putin, do we? Not to mention that Jared's job was to bring peace to the Middle East!

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of delusional people here. None of this would have even happened if Trump had won. Turns out mean tweeting and then doing selective strikes when some nutjob leader pushes a boundary is fairly effective to keep people in line.

There's a reason foreign policy was not a topic in the last Presidential debates- there was nothing to debate!

Our foreign policy became weaker under Trump.

-former R

I'm not sure how you can say that with a straight face when we had several years of world peace for the first time in decades under Trump.

That was correlation rather than causation.

Once again, Trump weakened NATO, so Putin didn't feel the need to invade Ukraine. Once Trump left office, Putin knew that Biden would go back to supporting NATO. Hence the attack on Ukraine to create a buffer between western Europe and Russia.

Trump's foreign policy is basically to capitulate to evil dictators. I suppose to MAGA, that's how they role. They like evil dictators.

Well yeah how about not tormenting Putin with NATO and avoiding a big war? Works for me!
There are too many evil dictators the US doesn’t care about - how about we don’t care indiscriminately?

so, you agree that the only reason Putin didn't invade Ukraine under Trump's regime is because Trump wanted to weaken NATO, our allies, right?

A weak NATO is also a weaker US.

And Putin has been tormenting its neighbors for many years; he has been wanting to reanimate the USSR for a while. That is a threat against peace and stability in Europe and the world.

I think we should have left Russia alone, that’s what I think.
No tampering with Georgia Republic or Ukraine or whatever countries in his orbit so to speak
I don’t believe in NATO growth for growth’s sake
It may not sound right but it may have saved many innocent people from being in the war

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Anonymous wrote:Wouldn’t have happened. That was the strength of his foreign policy. No one wanted to be on the receiving end of batsh*t crazy.

Now the know America will do nothing.

+1. Only two wars so far started under Biden but hey, still another 14 months to go.

Putin would not have needed to invade Ukraine, because the Orange Man would have given Putin Ukraine.

This. Trump would have handed Ukraine over to Russia with no support. He invited the Taliban to Camp David (and left the Afghani Govt out) which led to the awful withdrawal, he gave the Saudi govt to assimilate that journalist and he betrayed Kurdish allies in support of Russia.

There was nothing peaceful or stabilizing about Trump’s chaotic foreign policy approach. The only consistent things were him kissing Putin’s a&$ and grifting his way through the Middle East and his daughter through China.

Trump's foreign policy is to make nice with evil dictators. It was horrifying watching him kowtow to them.

-former R

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of delusional people here. None of this would have even happened if Trump had won. Turns out mean tweeting and then doing selective strikes when some nutjob leader pushes a boundary is fairly effective to keep people in line.

There's a reason foreign policy was not a topic in the last Presidential debates- there was nothing to debate!

Our foreign policy became weaker under Trump.

-former R

I'm not sure how you can say that with a straight face when we had several years of world peace for the first time in decades under Trump.

That was correlation rather than causation.

Once again, Trump weakened NATO, so Putin didn't feel the need to invade Ukraine. Once Trump left office, Putin knew that Biden would go back to supporting NATO. Hence the attack on Ukraine to create a buffer between western Europe and Russia.

Trump's foreign policy is basically to capitulate to evil dictators. I suppose to MAGA, that's how they role. They like evil dictators.

Well yeah how about not tormenting Putin with NATO and avoiding a big war? Works for me!
There are too many evil dictators the US doesn’t care about - how about we don’t care indiscriminately?

so, you agree that the only reason Putin didn't invade Ukraine under Trump's regime is because Trump wanted to weaken NATO, our allies, right?

A weak NATO is also a weaker US.

And Putin has been tormenting its neighbors for many years; he has been wanting to reanimate the USSR for a while. That is a threat against peace and stability in Europe and the world.

Bibi is Trumps guy. He was following the Trump tough guy playbook. How did that work out?

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of delusional people here. None of this would have even happened if Trump had won. Turns out mean tweeting and then doing selective strikes when some nutjob leader pushes a boundary is fairly effective to keep people in line.

There's a reason foreign policy was not a topic in the last Presidential debates- there was nothing to debate!

Our foreign policy became weaker under Trump.

-former R

I'm not sure how you can say that with a straight face when we had several years of world peace for the first time in decades under Trump.

That was correlation rather than causation.

Once again, Trump weakened NATO, so Putin didn't feel the need to invade Ukraine. Once Trump left office, Putin knew that Biden would go back to supporting NATO. Hence the attack on Ukraine to create a buffer between western Europe and Russia.

Trump's foreign policy is basically to capitulate to evil dictators. I suppose to MAGA, that's how they role. They like evil dictators.

Well yeah how about not tormenting Putin with NATO and avoiding a big war? Works for me!
There are too many evil dictators the US doesn’t care about - how about we don’t care indiscriminately?

Honestly, thank god Trump isn't President. By now he would have made up some lie about how the US had definitive evidence that Iran ordered the Hamas attack, and he would have scribbled with a sharpie on a napkin that he sent with some 25 yo Republican aide to the Joint Chief Milley ordering the US to nuke Iran.

He would have said North Korea and Russia are such good friends that he was gonna make them give weapons to Israel thus saving the US taxpayers money.

Meanwhile Trump would be encouraging Netanyahu to take the moment to shove the the vote on the Israeli Supreme Court thru and declare some kind of authoritarian state of emergency ensuring his power forever. (Which Bibi would love to do because otherwise at the end of this war, he would have to resign in shame when the magnitude of his failures becomes clear.)

Then Trump would probably promise to move the US Embassy to Gaza.

Melania would be busy bumping reporters off the plane scheduled to visit Israel in order to fit several extra suitcases of clothing.

The Joint Chiefs would be running around trying to figure out if it's legal to carry out napkin orders, and back-channeling to Bolton, who would probably be completely out of the loop and torn by his hatred of Iran but still clinging to the intellectual reality that starting a nuclear war probably isn't a good idea. Bolton would be skulking in the Office of the NSC Exec Sec every day rifling thru the outbox and pulling any papers that looked like they could be an official order from the Commander in Chief. Thankfully for Bolton, thy'll never be such an order because Meadows would have assigned the drafting to yet another completely unqualified 25 yo white male recent graduate, and the best he would be able to come up with would be an improvement on the napkin, but still only be crayon on lined paper.

Jared would be busy figuring what kind of settlement he could push for that he could monetize for future Israeli and Saudi contributions to his post-presidency investment fund. Ivanka would have flown in immediately to do humanitarian pics with Israeli mothers. At home at night Jared and Ivanka would probably be arguing about whether it's more important to secure their financial future with the Arab world or her dream of inheriting the presidency from her dad.

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Anonymous wrote:Wouldn’t have happened. That was the strength of his foreign policy. No one wanted to be on the receiving end of batsh*t crazy.

Now the know America will do nothing.

+1. Only two wars so far started under Biden but hey, still another 14 months to go.

Putin would not have needed to invade Ukraine, because the Orange Man would have given Putin Ukraine.

This. Trump would have handed Ukraine over to Russia with no support. He invited the Taliban to Camp David (and left the Afghani Govt out) which led to the awful withdrawal, he gave the Saudi govt to assimilate that journalist and he betrayed Kurdish allies in support of Russia.

There was nothing peaceful or stabilizing about Trump’s chaotic foreign policy approach. The only consistent things were him kissing Putin’s a&$ and grifting his way through the Middle East and his daughter through China.

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Anonymous wrote:Wouldn’t have happened. That was the strength of his foreign policy. No one wanted to be on the receiving end of batsh*t crazy.

Now the know America will do nothing.

Lol the strength of his foreign policy? The guy who saluted North Korean general, sold a journalist, and congratulated Putin?

DP. You were saying…?

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of delusional people here. None of this would have even happened if Trump had won. Turns out mean tweeting and then doing selective strikes when some nutjob leader pushes a boundary is fairly effective to keep people in line.

There's a reason foreign policy was not a topic in the last Presidential debates- there was nothing to debate!

Our foreign policy became weaker under Trump.

-former R

I'm not sure how you can say that with a straight face when we had several years of world peace for the first time in decades under Trump.

That was correlation rather than causation.

Once again, Trump weakened NATO, so Putin didn't feel the need to invade Ukraine. Once Trump left office, Putin knew that Biden would go back to supporting NATO. Hence the attack on Ukraine to create a buffer between western Europe and Russia.

Trump's foreign policy is basically to capitulate to evil dictators. I suppose to MAGA, that's how they role. They like evil dictators.