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This is kind of a shrug to me. Not a useful discussion. It equates "masculinity" with specific actions that are not especially important. Who pays for the first date just isn't that big a thing. I very briefly dated a guy who paid for EVERYthing to the point it quickly felt condescending and show-offy, and he wasn't my idea of masculine at all. The most masculine man I know now is also extremely liberal politically and personally. But I don't define "masculine" in terms of "pays for things, holds the door for the woman (only?), 'providing for' the woman." [/quote]
+1 those are not "masculine" traits. They are "gentlemanly" traits.  A man, irrespective of his political leanings, should do that for his woman, especially when they are still dating.

Liberal men can and do open doors for women, pay for dinner.  It's not about liberal or conservative.. it's about being gentlemanly.

However, the woman in the article wants her cake and eat it too....

she wants a masculine man, but doesn't want to be relegated to the sahm role. Then who is doing the childcare/housechores/cooking? Does she think "masculine" men won't mind being sahd?
she wants him to pay for everything (ie, well off) but she doesn't want to be relegated to the sahm role which means she wants to work and make her money, but still wants him to pay for everything.

That woman is not a liberal. She is just spoiled.  If you want to be an independent woman then act like it.

I used to be a R (DW); DH is a liberal, but we are both moderate.
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