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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Harvard will fall out of top 10 unless they invest in STEM (CS) heavily for the next 10 years.[/quote]

Harvard is already out of top 5 for many people.[/quote]

Yes, right, and the evidence of that is their plummeting academic statistics for enrolled students, the precipitous drop in the number of applications, and the acceptance rate rocketing up.

/geez[/quote]

This is turning out to be a great thread. It's high time people took a closer look at Harvard and Yale and their inexplicable rankings among the top 5 universities. Their mediocrity in STEM has already been noted. But take a gander at their freshman retention rates. Harvard is at 92 percent, which is below Auburn, Brandeis, and the Colorado School of Mines. Yale is even worse at 90 percent, which is worse than UC San Diego, the University of Dayton, and SUNY Stony Brook. Figures are from US News and World Report.

Tell me again why Harvard and Yale are considered top schools?

These lists are clearly composed by blue-haired wasps from the 1950s.[/quote]

Harvard is definitely great at STEM, no clue why you believe otherwise. Top in math, physics, bio, maybe a bit lacking in some CS and engineering disciplines though[/quote]

A bit lacking in engineering is quite the understatement - Penn State, UC San Diego, Maryland, Virginia Tech, University of Washington, University of Wisconsin, Texas A&M, Purdue, UIUC, Texas, Michigan, Georgia Tech, and UCLA all rank higher. Harvard engineering is not even in the same conversation as MIT, Stanford, Berkeley, Rice, CMU, Cornell and many others. It's mediocre. And it's reflective of Harvard, despite all of its resources, refusing to adjust to changing times. For generations, Harvard regarded engineering as something for the plebes, the tradesmen. Ivy League schools like Cornell, Princeton, and Penn at least made the effort to modernize their programs. Harvard - and Yale as well - did not. And having just gone through the college process with two kids - both landing in top 15 schools - I remain flabbergasted by this enduring reverence for Harvard despite its very considerable weakness in significant areas of study. And no, no one got rejected from Harvard so no bitterness here. It's just a curious observation. But I didn't grow up in the US so maybe I'm missing something.  [/quote]

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