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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]***SPOILERS***

I liked the series. I thought every actor was great. I think Sienna Miller is a timeless beauty. I am a woman. However, I am struggling with the way people are blatantly referring to both scenarios as rape. I think both scenarios are quite grey. I wanted there to be a definitive “no” uttered from both women but there wasn’t. It was hard to despise James because neither women uttered “no” or “stop”. And yes, in fact, Olivia did say she said not here which to me does imply “yes, I wanna bone you but not right here in the elevator.”

I am all about believing women but if we continue to put out narratives like this as being definitive rape, we are setting ourselves up for failure. I have a son and a daughter. I want my son to know about consent just as much as I want my daughter to use her voice and state definitively when she’s not comfortable in a situation. Yell loudly, “no! Stop! Rape!” So there can be no uncertainty from anyone.

While I’m on it, and expect to be flamed, I’m also unsure why James was being carted off by police at the end. Sure running away when your friend jumps to his death could “maybe” be a crime (failure to report?) but I don’t see what the charge would be, especially 20 years later with no eyewitnesses. Same goes for the Prime Minister. Again, I wanted to hate them both. The Libertine scenes screamed of images from Kavanaugh high school and college days. I just wanted it to be more black and white.[/quote]

To me it wasn't Kavanaugh. It was the societies at Cambridge, Oxford, etc that were being referenced.

Not everything is about US politics.[/quote]

Not trying to make it about US politics. I didn’t grow up knowing Cambridge, Oxford societies as I’m American so was likening it to MY experiences. You’re missing the huge point. It wasn’t a clear and cut rape IMO. [/quote]

My DH and I had this exact discussion and I explained to him that once it gets to a certain point most women are afraid to say no. Violence against women is real and men, if they feel vulnerable/want, will overpower women. Not ALL but if some guys were in that position and the woman said No STOP they might freak out and either dominate to finish (because you said yes prior or let me start "prick tease") or freak out because of the possibility of being charged with sexual assault. To me, if I am having sex and being penetrated and at ANY POINT want to stop then I will tell my DH to stop but I have also been the girl who was drunk and went home with someone and sobered up and was trying to find a way to leave without insulting them/triggering any response because I realized I did not want to be there. [/quote]

“Consent” is it run amok with mass confusion. Bad guys think yes means skies to limit for any kink or fetishes or games, and women freeze then and there’s trouble. Predators prey on this nice guy Yes and then turn into Bad rough guy Yes.

NYTimes did a big article on consent debacle last year; tons of confusion and sorry but no one is going to start laying out 50 terms of what type of sex they intend to have that Consent covers. All under the guise of, she said yes…at the beginning, then nothing else.[/quote]

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