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I liked the series. I thought every actor was great. I think Sienna Miller is a timeless beauty. I am a woman. However, I am struggling with the way people are blatantly referring to both scenarios as rape. I think both scenarios are quite grey. I wanted there to be a definitive “no” uttered from both women but there wasn’t. It was hard to despise James because neither women uttered “no” or “stop”. And yes, in fact, Olivia did say she said not here which to me does imply “yes, I wanna bone you but not right here in the elevator.”

I am all about believing women but if we continue to put out narratives like this as being definitive rape, we are setting ourselves up for failure. I have a son and a daughter. I want my son to know about consent just as much as I want my daughter to use her voice and state definitively when she’s not comfortable in a situation. Yell loudly, “no! Stop! Rape!” So there can be no uncertainty from anyone.

While I’m on it, and expect to be flamed, I’m also unsure why James was being carted off by police at the end. Sure running away when your friend jumps to his death could “maybe” be a crime (failure to report?) but I don’t see what the charge would be, especially 20 years later with no eyewitnesses. Same goes for the Prime Minister. Again, I wanted to hate them both. The Libertine scenes screamed of images from Kavanaugh high school and college days. I just wanted it to be more black and white.

To me it wasn't Kavanaugh. It was the societies at Cambridge, Oxford, etc that were being referenced.

Not everything is about US politics.

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Anonymous wrote:Sienna Miller’s performance is terrible. She’s downright zen and pleasant in the face of betrayal? Ridiculous.

hello?
did you miss her VOMITING in the sink?



Nothing zen about that.

DP. Yes - that one scene showed how completely distressed she was. But she got over it and moved on pretty rapidly. I didn't find that realistic at all.

It was realistic.
You’re probably in shock + need to strategize with a divorce attorney + see what the accusations are about/collect facts + make sure this isn’t a set up to bring down the political party.

I was waiting for the wife to hire a PI to trail that sleezy press secretary and fine out he and Sophie were paid off to bring down the PM and whitehouse.

Meant he and Olivia were paid off to bring them down.

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Anonymous wrote:Sienna Miller’s performance is terrible. She’s downright zen and pleasant in the face of betrayal? Ridiculous.

hello?
did you miss her VOMITING in the sink?



Nothing zen about that.

DP. Yes - that one scene showed how completely distressed she was. But she got over it and moved on pretty rapidly. I didn't find that realistic at all.

It was realistic.
You’re probably in shock + need to strategize with a divorce attorney + see what the accusations are about/collect facts + make sure this isn’t a set up to bring down the political party.

I was waiting for the wife to hire a PI to trail that sleezy press secretary and fine out he and Sophie were paid off to bring down the PM and whitehouse.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:***SPOILERS***

I liked the series. I thought every actor was great. I think Sienna Miller is a timeless beauty. I am a woman. However, I am struggling with the way people are blatantly referring to both scenarios as rape. I think both scenarios are quite grey. I wanted there to be a definitive “no” uttered from both women but there wasn’t. It was hard to despise James because neither women uttered “no” or “stop”. And yes, in fact, Olivia did say she said not here which to me does imply “yes, I wanna bone you but not right here in the elevator.”

I am all about believing women but if we continue to put out narratives like this as being definitive rape, we are setting ourselves up for failure. I have a son and a daughter. I want my son to know about consent just as much as I want my daughter to use her voice and state definitively when she’s not comfortable in a situation. Yell loudly, “no! Stop! Rape!” So there can be no uncertainty from anyone.

While I’m on it, and expect to be flamed, I’m also unsure why James was being carted off by police at the end. Sure running away when your friend jumps to his death could “maybe” be a crime (failure to report?) but I don’t see what the charge would be, especially 20 years later with no eyewitnesses. Same goes for the Prime Minister. Again, I wanted to hate them both. The Libertine scenes screamed of images from Kavanaugh high school and college days. I just wanted it to be more black and white.

To me it wasn't Kavanaugh. It was the societies at Cambridge, Oxford, etc that were being referenced.

Not everything is about US politics.

Not trying to make it about US politics. I didn’t grow up knowing Cambridge, Oxford societies as I’m American so was likening it to MY experiences. You’re missing the huge point. It wasn’t a clear and cut rape IMO.

My DH and I had this exact discussion and I explained to him that once it gets to a certain point most women are afraid to say no. Violence against women is real and men, if they feel vulnerable/want, will overpower women. Not ALL but if some guys were in that position and the woman said No STOP they might freak out and either dominate to finish (because you said yes prior or let me start "prick tease") or freak out because of the possibility of being charged with sexual assault. To me, if I am having sex and being penetrated and at ANY POINT want to stop then I will tell my DH to stop but I have also been the girl who was drunk and went home with someone and sobered up and was trying to find a way to leave without insulting them/triggering any response because I realized I did not want to be there.

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Anonymous wrote:For people talking about Michelle Dockery playing a different type of character, you might like if you haven't seen it already "Collateral" on Netflix. It's more of a conventional crime drama, but it has some of the same social overtones as Anatomy of a Scandal. And what's really interesting is watching Carey Mulligan playing a different character (here, a whip-smart police officer who is always one step of the men she's dealing with) than in her early ingenue roles like "An Education." She is excellent in the role.

I just started Collateral this weekend, and I'm only 1.5 episodes in. So far it seems that everyone is acting suspicious! And why did the woman who ordered the pizza throw the pizza in the floor??

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Anonymous wrote:Sienna Miller’s performance is terrible. She’s downright zen and pleasant in the face of betrayal? Ridiculous.

hello?
did you miss her VOMITING in the sink?



Nothing zen about that.

DP. Yes - that one scene showed how completely distressed she was. But she got over it and moved on pretty rapidly. I didn't find that realistic at all.

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Anonymous wrote:I binged it yesterday and loved it!

SPOILER ALERT

I loved that Sophie didn’t turn Kate in! She learned about her own privilege as well as her husbands. I do wish they’d included one scene about Olivia’s reaction to the verdict.


But all in all, an excellent short series. I wish the US would start making more short series.

There are tons of US mini series. Also this was done by an American and Candadian.

Not good ones and none I can think of recently.

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Anonymous wrote:“Coercion is not consent” is a fantastic way to put it. PP, I’m sorry about what happened to you. It’s what you and others have said. There needs to be an affirmative yes, and if that yes changes to a no or even changes to a not-enthused, then the other person needs to stop. And part of sex Ed should be learning about different conversation styles and how/why women aren’t always comfortable just yelling “no” and screaming for help. Checking in with your sex partner all along the way is an important part of having sex.

+100

What does “checking in with your sex partner all along the way” mean?

Are you ok?
Is this ok?
Do you want to keep going?
Do you like that?
Do you want me to stop?

Sorry, but I would be so annoyed if a guy kept asking me these questions during sex.

+1. I mean, seriously?

You don’t need to say them all! These are examples of what it means to “check in.”

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Anonymous wrote:“Coercion is not consent” is a fantastic way to put it. PP, I’m sorry about what happened to you. It’s what you and others have said. There needs to be an affirmative yes, and if that yes changes to a no or even changes to a not-enthused, then the other person needs to stop. And part of sex Ed should be learning about different conversation styles and how/why women aren’t always comfortable just yelling “no” and screaming for help. Checking in with your sex partner all along the way is an important part of having sex.

+100

What does “checking in with your sex partner all along the way” mean?

Are you ok?
Is this ok?
Do you want to keep going?
Do you like that?
Do you want me to stop?

Sorry, but I would be so annoyed if a guy kept asking me these questions during sex.

+1. I mean, seriously?

You don’t need to say them all! These are examples of what it means to “check in.”

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“Coercion is not consent” is a fantastic way to put it. PP, I’m sorry about what happened to you. It’s what you and others have said. There needs to be an affirmative yes, and if that yes changes to a no or even changes to a not-enthused, then the other person needs to stop. And part of sex Ed should be learning about different conversation styles and how/why women aren’t always comfortable just yelling “no” and screaming for help. Checking in with your sex partner all along the way is an important part of having sex.

+100

What does “checking in with your sex partner all along the way” mean?

Are you ok?
Is this ok?
Do you want to keep going?
Do you like that?
Do you want me to stop?

Sorry, but I would be so annoyed if a guy kept asking me these questions during sex.

+1. I mean, seriously?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“Coercion is not consent” is a fantastic way to put it. PP, I’m sorry about what happened to you. It’s what you and others have said. There needs to be an affirmative yes, and if that yes changes to a no or even changes to a not-enthused, then the other person needs to stop. And part of sex Ed should be learning about different conversation styles and how/why women aren’t always comfortable just yelling “no” and screaming for help. Checking in with your sex partner all along the way is an important part of having sex.

+100

What does “checking in with your sex partner all along the way” mean?

Are you ok?
Is this ok?
Do you want to keep going?
Do you like that?
Do you want me to stop?

Sorry, but I would be so annoyed if a guy kept asking me these questions during sex.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“Coercion is not consent” is a fantastic way to put it. PP, I’m sorry about what happened to you. It’s what you and others have said. There needs to be an affirmative yes, and if that yes changes to a no or even changes to a not-enthused, then the other person needs to stop. And part of sex Ed should be learning about different conversation styles and how/why women aren’t always comfortable just yelling “no” and screaming for help. Checking in with your sex partner all along the way is an important part of having sex.

+100

What does “checking in with your sex partner all along the way” mean?

Are you ok?
Is this ok?
Do you want to keep going?
Do you like that?
Do you want me to stop?