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Test optional has absolutely lowered the bar for admissions.  [/quote]

I am going to stop you right there and ask for evidence of this other than your assumption.

[quote=Anonymous]There are [u]not[/u] the “same number of kids.”   [/quote]

Yes, there are.

[quote=Anonymous]In the past, the pool of students with a real chance of admission to top schools was limited to students with test scores in a given range. Those students are still eligible.  In addition, [/u]every single student[u] with a high GPA is now in the “pool.”  [/quote]

Your first gigantic flaw is that the adcoms can't tell them apart at test optional colleges.  They can.  Your second gigantic flaw is that a student with high test scores has a different disadvantage against a student with no test scores from one with lower test scores.  On what do you base this?

[quote=Anonymous]If your position is that those kids all had  high test scores and simply chose not to submit them, I think you need to prove that.  [/quote]

That's not my position at all.

[quote=Anonymous]I agree that the Adcoms can tell who they want without scores. [/quote]

Well then what is [i]your [/i]point, exactly?

[quote=Anonymous]That’s the beauty of test optional from an Adcom’s standpoint. They can pick who they want without having to be constrained by the threat of taking a ding on the school’s ranking by admitting too many kids with low test scores. It gives them ultimate flexibility, with absolutely no transparency to anyone outside the school, which is why they like it. (See, e.g., reports of kids being asked to withdraw their scores before acceptance). [/quote]

Ahh, now you have again wandered into points completely unsubstantiated by data or informed anecdote.

Here is the fact that is undisputable: Selective colleges could admit whoever the heck they wanted before they went test optional, and they can pick whoever they heck they want after test optional.[/quote]

You are ridiculous. Could they admit anyone before, irrespective of their test scores? Sure. Did they? No. Why? Any Adcom that presided over a precipitous drop in ranking for a top school (which is what would happen to a school that admitted any significant number kids with low test scores, pre-test optional) wouldn’t have a job very long. This I do know directly from the source. [/quote]

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