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Here is the fact that is undisputable: Selective colleges could admit whoever the heck they wanted before they went test optional, and they can pick whoever they heck they want after test optional.

You are ridiculous. Could they admit anyone before, irrespective of their test scores? Sure. Did they? No. Why? Any Adcom that presided over a precipitous drop in ranking for a top school (which is what would happen to a school that admitted any significant number kids with low test scores, pre-test optional) wouldn’t have a job very long. This I do know directly from the source.

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Anonymous wrote:Applied to 10 schools, well within range for all but 2. Received 5 deferrals so far. Very discouraged. Trying to help him focus on next steps in deferral process. FWIW the schools he applied to are seeing insane application volume increase. For example, Auburn, where EA admits used to be around 75 percent and were 24 percent this year.

I thought we covered this last year. People need to be applying to MORE SAFETIES. Period. I am not trying to be harsh, it is what it is, unfortunately.

Well, as OP pointed out, many schools that were safeties last year aren’t this year.

Very, very bright classmate of DD rejected at a NESCAC this weekend, which really seemed more like a target than a reach for the kid. DD is just in shock as the kid is one of the brightest in their class and had legacy at college.

But if they have a 9% or 11% admit rate, the odds that kid would get rejected ~90%...so why are people shocked.

I swear, so many people seem incapable of doing math.

FWIW, the college office was suggesting that he aim higher and was pushing Cornell, Penn. He decided to go with what he thought was a less risky 22% admit rate and legacy. Immigrant, but not first gen. I know the parents and DD is close to the kid. So yeah, I get why DD is shocked even if she had the good fortune of getting in @ a sub 15% admit rate as she def sees this kid as her peer and more exceptional in some subject areas. And FTR, they're both on award-winning school math team.

Odds probably were better at Penn or Cornell, they are much bigger schools.

Sounds like one of his parents went to the NESCAC.

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Test optional has absolutely lowered the bar for admissions.

I am going to stop you right there and ask for evidence of this other than your assumption.

Anonymous wrote:There are not the “same number of kids.”

Yes, there are.

Anonymous wrote:In the past, the pool of students with a real chance of admission to top schools was limited to students with test scores in a given range. Those students are still eligible. In addition, [/u]every single student[u] with a high GPA is now in the “pool.”

Your first gigantic flaw is that the adcoms can't tell them apart at test optional colleges. They can. Your second gigantic flaw is that a student with high test scores has a different disadvantage against a student with no test scores from one with lower test scores. On what do you base this?

Anonymous wrote:If your position is that those kids all had high test scores and simply chose not to submit them, I think you need to prove that.

That's not my position at all.

Anonymous wrote:I agree that the Adcoms can tell who they want without scores.

Well then what is your point, exactly?

Anonymous wrote:That’s the beauty of test optional from an Adcom’s standpoint. They can pick who they want without having to be constrained by the threat of taking a ding on the school’s ranking by admitting too many kids with low test scores. It gives them ultimate flexibility, with absolutely no transparency to anyone outside the school, which is why they like it. (See, e.g., reports of kids being asked to withdraw their scores before acceptance).

Ahh, now you have again wandered into points completely unsubstantiated by data or informed anecdote.

Here is the fact that is undisputable: Selective colleges could admit whoever the heck they wanted before they went test optional, and they can pick whoever they heck they want after test optional.

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Anonymous wrote:Applied to 10 schools, well within range for all but 2. Received 5 deferrals so far. Very discouraged. Trying to help him focus on next steps in deferral process. FWIW the schools he applied to are seeing insane application volume increase. For example, Auburn, where EA admits used to be around 75 percent and were 24 percent this year.

I thought we covered this last year. People need to be applying to MORE SAFETIES. Period. I am not trying to be harsh, it is what it is, unfortunately.

Well, as OP pointed out, many schools that were safeties last year aren’t this year.

Very, very bright classmate of DD rejected at a NESCAC this weekend, which really seemed more like a target than a reach for the kid. DD is just in shock as the kid is one of the brightest in their class and had legacy at college.

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Anonymous wrote:Applied to 10 schools, well within range for all but 2. Received 5 deferrals so far. Very discouraged. Trying to help him focus on next steps in deferral process. FWIW the schools he applied to are seeing insane application volume increase. For example, Auburn, where EA admits used to be around 75 percent and were 24 percent this year.

I thought we covered this last year. People need to be applying to MORE SAFETIES. Period. I am not trying to be harsh, it is what it is, unfortunately.

Well, as OP pointed out, many schools that were safeties last year aren’t this year.

Very, very bright classmate of DD rejected at a NESCAC this weekend, which really seemed more like a target than a reach for the kid. DD is just in shock as the kid is one of the brightest in their class and had legacy at college.

But if they have a 9% or 11% admit rate, the odds that kid would get rejected ~90%...so why are people shocked.

I swear, so many people seem incapable of doing math.

FWIW, the college office was suggesting that he aim higher and was pushing Cornell, Penn. He decided to go with what he thought was a less risky 22% admit rate and legacy. Immigrant, but not first gen. I know the parents and DD is close to the kid. So yeah, I get why DD is shocked even if she had the good fortune of getting in @ a sub 15% admit rate as she def sees this kid as her peer and more exceptional in some subject areas. And FTR, they're both on award-winning school math team.

Odds probably were better at Penn or Cornell, they are much bigger schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Applied to 10 schools, well within range for all but 2. Received 5 deferrals so far. Very discouraged. Trying to help him focus on next steps in deferral process. FWIW the schools he applied to are seeing insane application volume increase. For example, Auburn, where EA admits used to be around 75 percent and were 24 percent this year.

I thought we covered this last year. People need to be applying to MORE SAFETIES. Period. I am not trying to be harsh, it is what it is, unfortunately.

Well, as OP pointed out, many schools that were safeties last year aren’t this year.

Very, very bright classmate of DD rejected at a NESCAC this weekend, which really seemed more like a target than a reach for the kid. DD is just in shock as the kid is one of the brightest in their class and had legacy at college.

But if they have a 9% or 11% admit rate, the odds that kid would get rejected ~90%...so why are people shocked.

I swear, so many people seem incapable of doing math.

FWIW, the college office was suggesting that he aim higher and was pushing Cornell, Penn. He decided to go with what he thought was a less risky 22% admit rate and legacy. Immigrant, but not first gen. I know the parents and DD is close to the kid. So yeah, I get why DD is shocked even if she had the good fortune of getting in @ a sub 15% admit rate as she def sees this kid as her peer and more exceptional in some subject areas. And FTR, they're both on award-winning school math team.

Odds probably were better at Penn or Cornell, they are much bigger schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Applied to 10 schools, well within range for all but 2. Received 5 deferrals so far. Very discouraged. Trying to help him focus on next steps in deferral process. FWIW the schools he applied to are seeing insane application volume increase. For example, Auburn, where EA admits used to be around 75 percent and were 24 percent this year.

I thought we covered this last year. People need to be applying to MORE SAFETIES. Period. I am not trying to be harsh, it is what it is, unfortunately.

Well, as OP pointed out, many schools that were safeties last year aren’t this year.

Very, very bright classmate of DD rejected at a NESCAC this weekend, which really seemed more like a target than a reach for the kid. DD is just in shock as the kid is one of the brightest in their class and had legacy at college.

But if they have a 9% or 11% admit rate, the odds that kid would get rejected ~90%...so why are people shocked.

I swear, so many people seem incapable of doing math.

That's the most stupid and yet most popular argument ever. Do you really believe the chance for the top student of the class is the same as a below average student for top tier colleges?

DP: But most people who apply are at least in range, so you are in competition with other people who are also top of their class etc. etc. Everyone has access to the admitted students stats, they apply to schools where they have a good shot.

+1 They aren't ranking the student by scores and selecting from the top down. Your stats get you in the pile, then they start to select and weed out based on other factors.

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Anonymous wrote:Where are the idiots telling people to apply to less than 10?

Some private schools only allow 10 applications

Don’t attend those private schools then. They’re out of touch. College application landscapes have changed a lot.

How is this remotely helpful? We are already in Senior year at a private school

I'm sorry- it's hard to feel sorry for the privileged kids who have been in private school. There is no planet where these kids are disadvantaged in the college admissions process. College admissions understand the grading at these schools is different.

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Anonymous wrote:Applied to 10 schools, well within range for all but 2. Received 5 deferrals so far. Very discouraged. Trying to help him focus on next steps in deferral process. FWIW the schools he applied to are seeing insane application volume increase. For example, Auburn, where EA admits used to be around 75 percent and were 24 percent this year.

I thought we covered this last year. People need to be applying to MORE SAFETIES. Period. I am not trying to be harsh, it is what it is, unfortunately.

Well, as OP pointed out, many schools that were safeties last year aren’t this year.

Very, very bright classmate of DD rejected at a NESCAC this weekend, which really seemed more like a target than a reach for the kid. DD is just in shock as the kid is one of the brightest in their class and had legacy at college.

But if they have a 9% or 11% admit rate, the odds that kid would get rejected ~90%...so why are people shocked.

I swear, so many people seem incapable of doing math.

That's the most stupid and yet most popular argument ever. Do you really believe the chance for the top student of the class is the same as a below average student for top tier colleges?

DP: But most people who apply are at least in range, so you are in competition with other people who are also top of their class etc. etc. Everyone has access to the admitted students stats, they apply to schools where they have a good shot.

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Anonymous wrote:Applied to 10 schools, well within range for all but 2. Received 5 deferrals so far. Very discouraged. Trying to help him focus on next steps in deferral process. FWIW the schools he applied to are seeing insane application volume increase. For example, Auburn, where EA admits used to be around 75 percent and were 24 percent this year.

I thought we covered this last year. People need to be applying to MORE SAFETIES. Period. I am not trying to be harsh, it is what it is, unfortunately.

Well, as OP pointed out, many schools that were safeties last year aren’t this year.

Very, very bright classmate of DD rejected at a NESCAC this weekend, which really seemed more like a target than a reach for the kid. DD is just in shock as the kid is one of the brightest in their class and had legacy at college.

But if they have a 9% or 11% admit rate, the odds that kid would get rejected ~90%...so why are people shocked.

I swear, so many people seem incapable of doing math.

FWIW, the college office was suggesting that he aim higher and was pushing Cornell, Penn. He decided to go with what he thought was a less risky 22% admit rate and legacy. Immigrant, but not first gen. I know the parents and DD is close to the kid. So yeah, I get why DD is shocked even if she had the good fortune of getting in @ a sub 15% admit rate as she def sees this kid as her peer and more exceptional in some subject areas. And FTR, they're both on award-winning school math team.

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Anonymous wrote:Applied to 10 schools, well within range for all but 2. Received 5 deferrals so far. Very discouraged. Trying to help him focus on next steps in deferral process. FWIW the schools he applied to are seeing insane application volume increase. For example, Auburn, where EA admits used to be around 75 percent and were 24 percent this year.

I thought we covered this last year. People need to be applying to MORE SAFETIES. Period. I am not trying to be harsh, it is what it is, unfortunately.

Well, as OP pointed out, many schools that were safeties last year aren’t this year.

Very, very bright classmate of DD rejected at a NESCAC this weekend, which really seemed more like a target than a reach for the kid. DD is just in shock as the kid is one of the brightest in their class and had legacy at college.

But if they have a 9% or 11% admit rate, the odds that kid would get rejected ~90%...so why are people shocked.

I swear, so many people seem incapable of doing math.

Anonymous wrote:(And don't deny that being able to pay for test prep and college coaches and fancy camps, are not an advantage. Many of you pay for them for that exact reason.)