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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Not all schools can be at the top at the same time. I often hear this argument from alums from schools like Emory, NYU, Tufts, WashU, etc all the time — “just you wait, it’ll be elite in just a few years and soar through the rankings!” It’s not that easy, and if every school is soaring through the rankings, there won’t be much movement. Just accept it.[/quote]

The "top" 10-15 schools are entrenched because that is the way rankings work, particularly for schools that have the "pedigree" like the Ivys.

I don't see people saying "just wait, school X will be top 10 in a decade" except for maybe Elon boosters. Schools like NYU, Tufts and WashU are outstanding, top tier institutions. That is why they are generally considered in the top 30. If one doesn't consider top 30 or 40 or 50 in the US with thousands of schools to to top tier, that is their own snobbery, not the fault of a school.[/quote]
This isn't always true Johns Hopkins wasn't always entrenched as a top 10. It was around 16 several years ago. I'm not too sure but you could probably say the same about Northwestern. And some schools have made real strides like WashU and Vandy are ranked 14 while Cornell isn't top 15. [/quote]

NP. Something that isn’t always reflected by the rankings is the fact that the upper echelon of academia is extremely incestuous. JHU and Northwestern have always been in or around top 10 or flirted with the top 10 for nearly their entire histories, as they’re a part of the wider top tier of American academia. While the top tier indisputably consists of HYPSM, and arguably after that Columbia and Caltech and Chicago, Northwestern and JHU round out the top tier, along with the rest of the Ivies + Duke, Berkeley, and sometimes even Georgetown. This is generations of academic inbreeding and cross-exchanges between these schools, which largely view each other as peers. I’m not saying this is right or how it should be, but it is what it is. In recent years, Vanderbilt has probably reached this tier, and Georgetown has arguably fallen out of it. But a school like Emory has never been a part of it. THAT SAID, that doesn’t mean it isn’t good, or even elite. It’s certainly a good school and prestigious in some circles, but it doesn’t quite play with the top tier.[/quote]
I'm not sure if it was you or someone else BUT someone said Emory has no representation in the executive suite. at top companies. Then another poster listed the current or former CEO's of top companies including EY, that are Emory grads. That received no response from you or them. Another poster said Emory has no top 5 programs then it was listed that US news has Emory with 10 top 5 programs, more than some of these top tier schools you listed. A poster then said those top 5 programs " don't matter" lol. Do you see the mental gymnastics?! Where is the proof that Emory doesn't play with the big boys, because to me it seems like it does...[/quote]

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