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[b]UCLA[/b]:    31,500 undergrad enrollment; 68% in-state; 1400 avg SAT; 30.5 avg ACT; 3.9 GPA
[b]Berkeley[/b]: 31,800 undergrad enrollment; 67% in-state; 1425 avg SAT; 31 avg ACT; 3.89 GPA
[b]UMich[/b]:   31,300 undergrad enrollment; 51% in-state; 1435 avg SAT; 32.5 avg ACT; 3.88 GPA
[b]UVA[/b]:   17,011 undergrad enrollment; 66% in-state; 1420 avg SAT; 32 avg ACT; 4.32 GPA
[b]UNC[/b]:   19,400 undergrad enrollment; 81% in-state, 1385 avg SAT; 30 avg ACT; 4.39 GPA
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It can be really complicated to compare GPAs across these schools, especially as the UC system has a very specific weighting methodology and only looks at grades from sophomore and junior year. Similarly, Michigan recalculates all GPAs using their own system that tops out at 4.0. And then there is the issue of different levels for in state, OOS, and international (and how international GPAs are guesstimated). And, of course, all of the GPA variation across states, districts, and individual high schools is also a factor (i.e. the original rationale for standardized testing).

Having said that, the numbers above are largely comparing UVA and UNC [b]weighted[/b] GPAs against UCLA, Berkeley, and Michigan [b]unweighted[/b] GPAs. UVA and UNC report weighted GPA average on the common data set. The other 3 report unweighted (well, in the case of Michigan, their custom re-weighting, but on a 4.0 scale). Just FYI.

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Thanks for the tutorial.  Is UCLA's SAT unweighted as well?  ACT unweighted?  UVA is higher for both.  [/quote]

According to the common data set, standardized test score percentiles (25th/75th) are:

UCLA
  SAT:        1290/1510
  ACT:       27/34

Berkeley:
  SAT:        1330/1520
  ACT:        28/34

Michigan:
  SAT:       1340/1530 
  ACT:       31/34

UVA:
  SAT:        1340/1500
  ACT:        30/34

UNC:
  SAT:        1300/1470
  ACT:        27/33

But again, some caution is warranted. For a DC-based message board, most applicants to UCLA, Berkeley, Michigan, and UNC would be out of state. UCLA publishes OOS breakdowns, and they are scary:

UCLA OOS:
  SAT:  1440/1550
  ACT:  33/35

For reference, Stanford's numbers (for all admits) are:

SAT:  1440/1550
  ACT:  32/35

The UC system caps OOS/international admissions as part of a formal commitment to California residents. Not easy to find similar OOS breakdowns for the other universities listed here.

Also, very important to consider that the in-state numbers for Virginia would not fully reflect the added challenge that Northern Virginia students are thought to face (being in a very competitive cohort).

Sources:

UCLA: https://www.apb.ucla.edu/campus-statistics/common-data-set
Berkeley:  https://opa.berkeley.edu/campus-data/common-data-set
Michigan: https://obp.umich.edu/campus-statistics/common-data-set/
UVA: https://ira.virginia.edu/cds-2019-20
UNC:  https://oira.unc.edu/reports/reports-archives/common-data-set/
UCLA OOS: https://www.admission.ucla.edu/Prospect/Adm_fr/Frosh_Prof20.htm
Stanford: https://ucomm.stanford.edu/cds/

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