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UCLA: 31,500 undergrad enrollment; 68% in-state; 1400 avg SAT; 30.5 avg ACT; 3.9 GPA
Berkeley: 31,800 undergrad enrollment; 67% in-state; 1425 avg SAT; 31 avg ACT; 3.89 GPA
UMich: 31,300 undergrad enrollment; 51% in-state; 1435 avg SAT; 32.5 avg ACT; 3.88 GPA
UVA: 17,011 undergrad enrollment; 66% in-state; 1420 avg SAT; 32 avg ACT; 4.32 GPA
UNC: 19,400 undergrad enrollment; 81% in-state, 1385 avg SAT; 30 avg ACT; 4.39 GPA

It can be really complicated to compare GPAs across these schools, especially as the UC system has a very specific weighting methodology and only looks at grades from sophomore and junior year. Similarly, Michigan recalculates all GPAs using their own system that tops out at 4.0. And then there is the issue of different levels for in state, OOS, and international (and how international GPAs are guesstimated). And, of course, all of the GPA variation across states, districts, and individual high schools is also a factor (i.e. the original rationale for standardized testing).

Having said that, the numbers above are largely comparing UVA and UNC weighted GPAs against UCLA, Berkeley, and Michigan unweighted GPAs. UVA and UNC report weighted GPA average on the common data set. The other 3 report unweighted (well, in the case of Michigan, their custom re-weighting, but on a 4.0 scale). Just FYI.

Thanks for the tutorial. Is UCLA's SAT unweighted as well? ACT unweighted? UVA is higher for both.

According to the common data set, standardized test score percentiles (25th/75th) are:

UCLA
SAT: 1290/1510
ACT: 27/34

Berkeley:
SAT: 1330/1520
ACT: 28/34

Michigan:
SAT: 1340/1530
ACT: 31/34

UVA:
SAT: 1340/1500
ACT: 30/34

UNC:
SAT: 1300/1470
ACT: 27/33



But again, some caution is warranted. For a DC-based message board, most applicants to UCLA, Berkeley, Michigan, and UNC would be out of state. UCLA publishes OOS breakdowns, and they are scary:


UCLA OOS:
SAT: 1440/1550
ACT: 33/35

For reference, Stanford's numbers (for all admits) are:

SAT: 1440/1550
ACT: 32/35


The UC system caps OOS/international admissions as part of a formal commitment to California residents. Not easy to find similar OOS breakdowns for the other universities listed here.

Also, very important to consider that the in-state numbers for Virginia would not fully reflect the added challenge that Northern Virginia students are thought to face (being in a very competitive cohort).




Sources:

UCLA: https://www.apb.ucla.edu/campus-statistics/common-data-set
Berkeley: https://opa.berkeley.edu/campus-data/common-data-set
Michigan: https://obp.umich.edu/campus-statistics/common-data-set/
UVA: https://ira.virginia.edu/cds-2019-20
UNC: https://oira.unc.edu/reports/reports-archives/common-data-set/
UCLA OOS: https://www.admission.ucla.edu/Prospect/Adm_fr/Frosh_Prof20.htm
Stanford: https://ucomm.stanford.edu/cds/

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Anonymous wrote:[
UCLA: 31,500 undergrad enrollment; 68% in-state; 1400 avg SAT; 30.5 avg ACT; 3.9 GPA
Berkeley: 31,800 undergrad enrollment; 67% in-state; 1425 avg SAT; 31 avg ACT; 3.89 GPA
UMich: 31,300 undergrad enrollment; 51% in-state; 1435 avg SAT; 32.5 avg ACT; 3.88 GPA
UVA: 17,011 undergrad enrollment; 66% in-state; 1420 avg SAT; 32 avg ACT; 4.32 GPA
UNC: 19,400 undergrad enrollment; 81% in-state, 1385 avg SAT; 30 avg ACT; 4.39 GPA

It can be really complicated to compare GPAs across these schools, especially as the UC system has a very specific weighting methodology and only looks at grades from sophomore and junior year. Similarly, Michigan recalculates all GPAs using their own system that tops out at 4.0. And then there is the issue of different levels for in state, OOS, and international (and how international GPAs are guesstimated). And, of course, all of the GPA variation across states, districts, and individual high schools is also a factor (i.e. the original rationale for standardized testing).

Having said that, the numbers above are largely comparing UVA and UNC weighted GPAs against UCLA, Berkeley, and Michigan unweighted GPAs. UVA and UNC report weighted GPA average on the common data set. The other 3 report unweighted (well, in the case of Michigan, their custom re-weighting, but on a 4.0 scale). Just FYI.

Thanks for the tutorial. Is UCLA's SAT unweighted as well? ACT unweighted? UVA is higher for both.

According to the common data set, standardized test score percentiles (25th/75th) are:

UCLA
SAT: 1290/1510
ACT: 27/34

Berkeley:
SAT: 1330/1520
ACT: 28/34

Michigan:
SAT: 1340/1530
ACT: 31/34

UVA:
SAT: 1340/1500
ACT: 30/34

UNC:
SAT: 1300/1470
ACT: 27/33



But again, some caution is warranted. For a DC-based message board, most applicants to UCLA, Berkeley, Michigan, and UNC would be out of state. UCLA publishes OOS breakdowns, and they are scary:


UCLA OOS:
SAT: 1440/1550
ACT: 33/35

For reference, Stanford's numbers (for all admits) are:

SAT: 1440/1550
ACT: 32/35


The UC system caps OOS/international admissions as part of a formal commitment to California residents. Not easy to find similar OOS breakdowns for the other universities listed here.

Also, very important to consider that the in-state numbers for Virginia would not fully reflect the added challenge that Northern Virginia students are thought to face (being in a very competitive cohort).




Sources:

UCLA: https://www.apb.ucla.edu/campus-statistics/common-data-set
Berkeley: https://opa.berkeley.edu/campus-data/common-data-set
Michigan: https://obp.umich.edu/campus-statistics/common-data-set/
UVA: https://ira.virginia.edu/cds-2019-20
UNC: https://oira.unc.edu/reports/reports-archives/common-data-set/
UCLA OOS: https://www.admission.ucla.edu/Prospect/Adm_fr/Frosh_Prof20.htm
Stanford: https://ucomm.stanford.edu/cds/

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Anonymous wrote:[
UCLA: 31,500 undergrad enrollment; 68% in-state; 1400 avg SAT; 30.5 avg ACT; 3.9 GPA
Berkeley: 31,800 undergrad enrollment; 67% in-state; 1425 avg SAT; 31 avg ACT; 3.89 GPA
UMich: 31,300 undergrad enrollment; 51% in-state; 1435 avg SAT; 32.5 avg ACT; 3.88 GPA
UVA: 17,011 undergrad enrollment; 66% in-state; 1420 avg SAT; 32 avg ACT; 4.32 GPA
UNC: 19,400 undergrad enrollment; 81% in-state, 1385 avg SAT; 30 avg ACT; 4.39 GPA

It can be really complicated to compare GPAs across these schools, especially as the UC system has a very specific weighting methodology and only looks at grades from sophomore and junior year. Similarly, Michigan recalculates all GPAs using their own system that tops out at 4.0. And then there is the issue of different levels for in state, OOS, and international (and how international GPAs are guesstimated). And, of course, all of the GPA variation across states, districts, and individual high schools is also a factor (i.e. the original rationale for standardized testing).

Having said that, the numbers above are largely comparing UVA and UNC weighted GPAs against UCLA, Berkeley, and Michigan unweighted GPAs. UVA and UNC report weighted GPA average on the common data set. The other 3 report unweighted (well, in the case of Michigan, their custom re-weighting, but on a 4.0 scale). Just FYI.

Thanks for the tutorial. Is UCLA's SAT unweighted as well? ACT unweighted? UVA is higher for both.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:[
UCLA: 31,500 undergrad enrollment; 68% in-state; 1400 avg SAT; 30.5 avg ACT; 3.9 GPA
Berkeley: 31,800 undergrad enrollment; 67% in-state; 1425 avg SAT; 31 avg ACT; 3.89 GPA
UMich: 31,300 undergrad enrollment; 51% in-state; 1435 avg SAT; 32.5 avg ACT; 3.88 GPA
UVA: 17,011 undergrad enrollment; 66% in-state; 1420 avg SAT; 32 avg ACT; 4.32 GPA
UNC: 19,400 undergrad enrollment; 81% in-state, 1385 avg SAT; 30 avg ACT; 4.39 GPA

It can be really complicated to compare GPAs across these schools, especially as the UC system has a very specific weighting methodology and only looks at grades from sophomore and junior year. Similarly, Michigan recalculates all GPAs using their own system that tops out at 4.0. And then there is the issue of different levels for in state, OOS, and international (and how international GPAs are guesstimated). And, of course, all of the GPA variation across states, districts, and individual high schools is also a factor (i.e. the original rationale for standardized testing).

Having said that, the numbers above are largely comparing UVA and UNC weighted GPAs against UCLA, Berkeley, and Michigan unweighted GPAs. UVA and UNC report weighted GPA average on the common data set. The other 3 report unweighted (well, in the case of Michigan, their custom re-weighting, but on a 4.0 scale). Just FYI.

University of Florida - 4.5 GPA. Trumps (sorry for the term) them all (at least the ones above).

University of Virginia, top 10% in class = 90%; University of Michigan = N/A; UC Santa Barbara = 100%

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Anonymous wrote:[
UCLA: 31,500 undergrad enrollment; 68% in-state; 1400 avg SAT; 30.5 avg ACT; 3.9 GPA
Berkeley: 31,800 undergrad enrollment; 67% in-state; 1425 avg SAT; 31 avg ACT; 3.89 GPA
UMich: 31,300 undergrad enrollment; 51% in-state; 1435 avg SAT; 32.5 avg ACT; 3.88 GPA
UVA: 17,011 undergrad enrollment; 66% in-state; 1420 avg SAT; 32 avg ACT; 4.32 GPA
UNC: 19,400 undergrad enrollment; 81% in-state, 1385 avg SAT; 30 avg ACT; 4.39 GPA

It can be really complicated to compare GPAs across these schools, especially as the UC system has a very specific weighting methodology and only looks at grades from sophomore and junior year. Similarly, Michigan recalculates all GPAs using their own system that tops out at 4.0. And then there is the issue of different levels for in state, OOS, and international (and how international GPAs are guesstimated). And, of course, all of the GPA variation across states, districts, and individual high schools is also a factor (i.e. the original rationale for standardized testing).

Having said that, the numbers above are largely comparing UVA and UNC weighted GPAs against UCLA, Berkeley, and Michigan unweighted GPAs. UVA and UNC report weighted GPA average on the common data set. The other 3 report unweighted (well, in the case of Michigan, their custom re-weighting, but on a 4.0 scale). Just FYI.

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UVa is undoubtedly a great school, but as a Midwesterner there's a strong preference among friends and family for UMich. Lots of kids from here go to UMich, and very few consider UVa. If a kid wants a great state school, UMich is a great school that's fun to attend. UVa isn't really on the radar, or if it is, people think that it's full of people from DC and New York (and people from DC and New York aren't very nice). And Ann Arbor is a great town.

+1

Midwesterners are just nicer than east coasters. It strikes me literally every time I travel to the Midwest. UVA has better weather but I'd choose the people at UMich any day of the week.

Anonymous wrote:
UVa is undoubtedly a great school, but as a Midwesterner there's a strong preference among friends and family for UMich. Lots of kids from here go to UMich, and very few consider UVa. If a kid wants a great state school, UMich is a great school that's fun to attend. UVa isn't really on the radar, or if it is, people think that it's full of people from DC and New York (and people from DC and New York aren't very nice). And Ann Arbor is a great town.

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Anonymous wrote:[
UCLA: 31,500 undergrad enrollment; 68% in-state; 1400 avg SAT; 30.5 avg ACT; 3.9 GPA
Berkeley: 31,800 undergrad enrollment; 67% in-state; 1425 avg SAT; 31 avg ACT; 3.89 GPA
UMich: 31,300 undergrad enrollment; 51% in-state; 1435 avg SAT; 32.5 avg ACT; 3.88 GPA
UVA: 17,011 undergrad enrollment; 66% in-state; 1420 avg SAT; 32 avg ACT; 4.32 GPA
UNC: 19,400 undergrad enrollment; 81% in-state, 1385 avg SAT; 30 avg ACT; 4.39 GPA

It can be really complicated to compare GPAs across these schools, especially as the UC system has a very specific weighting methodology and only looks at grades from sophomore and junior year. Similarly, Michigan recalculates all GPAs using their own system that tops out at 4.0. And then there is the issue of different levels for in state, OOS, and international (and how international GPAs are guesstimated). And, of course, all of the GPA variation across states, districts, and individual high schools is also a factor (i.e. the original rationale for standardized testing).

Having said that, the numbers above are largely comparing UVA and UNC weighted GPAs against UCLA, Berkeley, and Michigan unweighted GPAs. UVA and UNC report weighted GPA average on the common data set. The other 3 report unweighted (well, in the case of Michigan, their custom re-weighting, but on a 4.0 scale). Just FYI.

University of Florida - 4.5 GPA. Trumps (sorry for the term) them all (at least the ones above).

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:[
UCLA: 31,500 undergrad enrollment; 68% in-state; 1400 avg SAT; 30.5 avg ACT; 3.9 GPA
Berkeley: 31,800 undergrad enrollment; 67% in-state; 1425 avg SAT; 31 avg ACT; 3.89 GPA
UMich: 31,300 undergrad enrollment; 51% in-state; 1435 avg SAT; 32.5 avg ACT; 3.88 GPA
UVA: 17,011 undergrad enrollment; 66% in-state; 1420 avg SAT; 32 avg ACT; 4.32 GPA
UNC: 19,400 undergrad enrollment; 81% in-state, 1385 avg SAT; 30 avg ACT; 4.39 GPA

It can be really complicated to compare GPAs across these schools, especially as the UC system has a very specific weighting methodology and only looks at grades from sophomore and junior year. Similarly, Michigan recalculates all GPAs using their own system that tops out at 4.0. And then there is the issue of different levels for in state, OOS, and international (and how international GPAs are guesstimated). And, of course, all of the GPA variation across states, districts, and individual high schools is also a factor (i.e. the original rationale for standardized testing).

Having said that, the numbers above are largely comparing UVA and UNC weighted GPAs against UCLA, Berkeley, and Michigan unweighted GPAs. UVA and UNC report weighted GPA average on the common data set. The other 3 report unweighted (well, in the case of Michigan, their custom re-weighting, but on a 4.0 scale). Just FYI.

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Anonymous wrote:You don’t even have to pick one. Earlier today I was behind a car with both a UVA and a Michigan sticker on the back! Harmony!

That car crashed into the median. They found the two occupants with their fingers wrapped around the neck of the other person.

Anonymous wrote:You don’t even have to pick one. Earlier today I was behind a car with both a UVA and a Michigan sticker on the back! Harmony!

Anonymous wrote:The quality of education is the same at both.

Michigan is huge, awful weather, middle of the country, and too many obnoxious New Yorkers vs UVA is smaller, more conservative, better location.

Anonymous wrote:Anyone saying Michigan is MUCH better than UVA knows nothing about universities. I'm a professor and I can tell you that the quality of education difference is barely measurable moving between a school ranked 80th and a school ranked 20th. The idea that two great state schools somehow vary in terms of educational quality is preposterous. I could barely tell the difference between classes in the ivy league and classes at a mid-level state school.