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Oh puhhhhhleassseeee. And for anybody who really wants a laugh,  a summary of this thread and the genuine "challenges" Muslim posters faced:

Muslim: Children are taught the Quran in 7th century Arabic and taught the meaning of some suras.
IslamHater: okay, but do they know the translation for every single word in the Quran?
Muslim: how can they when they are children and the Quran is hundreds of pages long? Learning it is a life long endeavor.
IslamHater: AHA! See! They don't know what they are reciting!

Muslim: the majority of Muslims learn the Quran in its original language. Devout ones learn Quranic Arabic.
IslamHater: 95% of Muslims don't know what they are reciting.
Muslim: if most all children are taught the meaning of the suras they learn in schools, and its been this way for hundreds of years, how can 95% not have any idea of what they recite?
IslamHater: proof: Afghanistan has a 23% literacy rate
Muslim: but why use Afghanistan as representative of the world when it has one one of the lowest literacy rates?

IslamHater: Arab superiority is a big problem in Islam!
Muslim: not really. Muslims care only about being able to practice Islam and Arabs don't hinder nonmuslims from practicing.
IslamHater: oh yes it IS a big problem!  They dictate dress code to all other Muslims.
Muslim: not really. African women dress like Muslim African women, Bosnian Muslims dress like Bosnian Muslims, Lebanese Muslim women dress like Lebanese women. Different head covering styles. Arabs dictate only how Arabs should dress.

Muslim: islam established voting rights for women 1400 yrs ago
IslamHater: no, it didn't. Prove it.
Muslim: sura Ash Shurra used plural language when it asked people to settle all matters requiring collective opinion by hearing people's choices. God was talking to both men and women. 
IslamHater: <silence>
IslamHater: <silence>
IslamHater: But look at how far behind Muslim countries lagged in granting women voting rights.
Muslim: Thats because after the Prophet died, the treatment and condition of women deteriorated and eventually went back to pre islamic times.
IslamHater: But that sura Muslima quoted doesn't prove Muslima voting rights! <note the subtle deflection>

Muslim: the sura Muslima quoted showed that Islam made women politically relevant
IslamHater:  No, it was an admission for membership into the Prophets tribe.
Muslim:  yes, and that an oath was administered for entry into his tribe makes her politically relevant because more oaths= more power
IslamHater:  okay, but then its at least discriminatory because the same oath was not administered to men. <note the deflection again>
Muslim: ummm, yes it was. A group of men took the oath in the treaty under the tree, to become members of his tribe and pledge allegiance to the Prophet.
IslamHater: <silence>

IslamHater: I am such a highly intelligent woman, so well educated about Islam that these Muslim women can't handle my exceptional intelligence.
Muslim: no, not really. You can't even understand a word of the actual Quran. So your hatred comes from not being able to decipher the Quranic text and thus your misunderstanding. Go talk to a scholar.
IslamHater: never! He'll try to convert me!!!! <frightened little girl voice>

And there you have it folks. These are not challenges. They are pitiful misunderstandings based on her google ability, TV shows about Indonesian children, radio shows airing uneducated listener comments who she likes to mock, and reliance on unreliable, literal English translations of the holy Quran. 
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That's not exactly how it went down, did it? More like this:

Muslim: All Muslims are required to study Quranic Arabic because you can't understand the Quran unless you read it in the original form. Translations are incompetent.
Me: Actually, most Muslims don't understand Quranic Arabic.
Muslim: No, all children study the Quran in the original Arabic!
Me: They are taught to recite it like a collection of sounds and told the stories behind them - a subjective, highly interpretative process that doesn't move them any closer to the command of Quranic Arabic.
Muslim: I'm a product of Islamic school. You gonna argue with that?

Muslim: Women have equal rights in Islam.
Me: No they don't, they are disadvantaged in right to inheritance, right of divorce and right to marital property.
Muslim: Equal doesn't mean identical, equal means justice, equal value and a whole bunch of other things. 
Me: Actually no, equal means equal but if you want to believe equal means something else, then whatever.

Muslim: Islam liberated women captives.
Me: No, Islam institutionalized capturing them.
Muslim: No! They were treated nicely! Their sexual needs got covered! If they got pregnant, they were freed!
Me: Actually no, they were freed in that case when the master died. 
Muslim: No, no! When they got pregnant!
Me: Here are two fiqh books that say otherwise.
Muslim:  Here's a bbc link that says what I say.
Me: Actually, that link says they were liberated after the owner died.
Muslim: You gaptoothed STD slut you!

Muslim: Islam granted women voting rights! Here's the verse.
Me: Actually, that verse is like a background check for new female immigrants.
Muslim: No it isn't! It's exactly like voting!
Me: And men were never asked for the same.
Muslim: Yes they were! just because it's not in the Quran doesn't mean that they weren't!
Me: Actually yes, that's exactly what it means.

Something more like that.

That's more like it.
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Yes this is how it went down.  Laughing hard because it is hilarious in your abridged rendition.[/quote]

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