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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]This thread has not aged well at all, as the terms of the peace plan are being handled directly between the US and Russia, sidelining both Europe and Ukraine.

This is from the first post on this thread back a few years ago:

"Russia is facing a coalition of forces with more than 20 times their GDP. This military conflict can only end one way. And Putin has steadfastly refused at this point to negotiate.

Rest assured: Russia will lose this war.

The only open question is if Russia survives this, or breaks up entirely."[/quote]
You’re correct, but so was the initial post.  Ukraine COULD have been saved if the US hadn’t dithered, Europe had sped up arms shipments, and other nations had organized volunteer forces to support Ukraine.  But they didn’t, and Russia is getting what it wants (including getting rid of its unproductive rural population).[/quote]

Europe has no arms shipments to speed up, and other nations don't have meaningful numbers of volunteers (like who would sign up for this, think about it.)

The sad thing is this could have been resolved three years ago in Istanbul and Ukraine would have been much better off.  The final terms now are going to be much worse. [/quote]

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