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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:This thread has not aged well at all, as the terms of the peace plan are being handled directly between the US and Russia, sidelining both Europe and Ukraine.

This is from the first post on this thread back a few years ago:

"Russia is facing a coalition of forces with more than 20 times their GDP. This military conflict can only end one way. And Putin has steadfastly refused at this point to negotiate.

Rest assured: Russia will lose this war.

The only open question is if Russia survives this, or breaks up entirely."

You’re correct, but so was the initial post. Ukraine COULD have been saved if the US hadn’t dithered, Europe had sped up arms shipments, and other nations had organized volunteer forces to support Ukraine. But they didn’t, and Russia is getting what it wants (including getting rid of its unproductive rural population).

Europe has no arms shipments to speed up, and other nations don't have meaningful numbers of volunteers (like who would sign up for this, think about it.)

The sad thing is this could have been resolved three years ago in Istanbul and Ukraine would have been much better off. The final terms now are going to be much worse.

They haven't learned. They're making the same mistake again. This could have been resolved 2 weeks ago with the first peace agreement negotiated by Witkoff. The EU has once more persuaded Zelensky to reject it and ask for more. The agreement wasn't perfect, but what they don't realize is that Russia is in a stronger position, and the longer Ukraine delays, the worse the deal will become.

Anonymous wrote:Why is the inevitable victory taking so long?Russia is losing. Can we just declare Ukraine the winner and be done with it?

Anonymous wrote:Ukraine may be a tiny, corrupt country, and a lot of their military-aged men may have been killed, but they are plucky. You gotta give that to them. They are very plucky

Anonymous wrote:Forget what Ukraine’s borders will look like. The country is a hellscape of rubble that will take a generation to clean up and another to rebuild.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread has not aged well at all, as the terms of the peace plan are being handled directly between the US and Russia, sidelining both Europe and Ukraine.

This is from the first post on this thread back a few years ago:

"Russia is facing a coalition of forces with more than 20 times their GDP. This military conflict can only end one way. And Putin has steadfastly refused at this point to negotiate.

Rest assured: Russia will lose this war.

The only open question is if Russia survives this, or breaks up entirely."

You’re correct, but so was the initial post. Ukraine COULD have been saved if the US hadn’t dithered, Europe had sped up arms shipments, and other nations had organized volunteer forces to support Ukraine. But they didn’t, and Russia is getting what it wants (including getting rid of its unproductive rural population).

Europe has no arms shipments to speed up, and other nations don't have meaningful numbers of volunteers (like who would sign up for this, think about it.)

The sad thing is this could have been resolved three years ago in Istanbul and Ukraine would have been much better off. The final terms now are going to be much worse.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread has not aged well at all, as the terms of the peace plan are being handled directly between the US and Russia, sidelining both Europe and Ukraine.

This is from the first post on this thread back a few years ago:

"Russia is facing a coalition of forces with more than 20 times their GDP. This military conflict can only end one way. And Putin has steadfastly refused at this point to negotiate.

Rest assured: Russia will lose this war.

The only open question is if Russia survives this, or breaks up entirely."

You’re correct, but so was the initial post. Ukraine COULD have been saved if the US hadn’t dithered, Europe had sped up arms shipments, and other nations had organized volunteer forces to support Ukraine. But they didn’t, and Russia is getting what it wants (including getting rid of its unproductive rural population).

Anonymous wrote:This thread has not aged well at all, as the terms of the peace plan are being handled directly between the US and Russia, sidelining both Europe and Ukraine.

This is from the first post on this thread back a few years ago:

"Russia is facing a coalition of forces with more than 20 times their GDP. This military conflict can only end one way. And Putin has steadfastly refused at this point to negotiate.

Rest assured: Russia will lose this war.

The only open question is if Russia survives this, or breaks up entirely."

Anonymous wrote:An insight into what "hurting" Russia actually entails: https://www.reuters.com/investigations/band-brothers-how-war-crushed-cohort-young-ukrainians-2025-12-01

Its almost 2026 and some people still think Zelensky is saving Ukraine.

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Anonymous wrote:And what now? We all pat each other on the back over Ukraine while Putin turns around to start annexing Georgia or some other place?

Like it matters if Russia annexes some place called "Georgia" that no American can find on a map and that was part of Russia in 1801 and subsequently part of the USSR until 1991?

But if that happens, maybe we can try just staying out of it and not getting another million people killed trying to resist something that ends up happening anyway?

I don't know ... maybe we can attend to the myriad problems we need to deal with here at home instead of going abroad in search of monsters to destroy.