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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][twitter][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Former Israeli MK Moshe Feiglin and member Netanyahu's Likud party, states the following:[b]  "Every child, every baby in Gaza is an enemy. The enemy is not Hamas... We need to conquer Gaza and colonize it and not leave a single Gazan child there. There is no other victory."[/b]

https://x.com/QudsNen/status/1924823111230230814[/quote]

This is sick. This is what zionism is.

How the hell does anyone stand by Israel?

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I mean, I don’t agree with what is happening, but they aren’t wrong that Gazan children will grow up to hate Israelis and are effectively “the enemy.”[/quote]

I mean, did Jewish survivors of the Holocaust grow up to love the Nazis?

Do vile things, and people will hate you. It's not incomprehensible nor nonsensical. 
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But that is also why the Israelis hate Hamas in the first place. It’s a viscous cycle. I can see why a Gazan child is a potential Hamas soldier to them. And I can understand why Gazans feel the same about Israeli children. [/quote]

Your equivocation is gag inducing. Genocide is not the answer.  [/quote]

I already said I don’t agree with what’s happening. But a mutual hatred is hardly difficult to comprehend. [/quote]

DP. The mutuality is difficult for me to understand. When you are displaced and brutalized, trying to fight back is understandable. It hasn't much helped the Palestinians, but I understand the reasoning.  It's almost as if some Jews (Israelis and zionists) think Palestinians were responsible for the Holocaust - the hatred that many have for Palestinians is unwarranted and incomprehensible to me. Their hatred is overwhelmingly misplaced.

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It would not be unreasonable for Israelis to have less than warm feelings toward the perpetrators of the October 7 massacre, namely, Hamas and its associates of that day.[/quote]

How utterly privileged of Israelis to think this began on October 7th.

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The October 7 massacre perpetrated by Hamas did indeed occur on October 7.  It would not be unreasonable for Israelis to be concerned that Ha*** vowed to repeat it.[/quote]

You cannot possibly be this bad at reading.
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Not sure I follow.  I am having a hard time with seeing how the Israelis murdered, raped, maimed, burned, and kidnapped on October 7 were privileged.  Not sure what the “this” is.[/quote]

Here's my comment again: "How utterly privileged of Israelis to think this began on October 7th."

The fact that you think the October 7th was the inauguration of things, makes it incredibly clear how privileged you are, to completely ignore the crimes, the persecution, the horrors, the trauma, and the displacement faced by Palestinians LONG, LONG, LONG before October 7th. October 7th was terrible, but it's a blip in the grand experience and terrorism inflicted BY Israel and ONTO Palestinians for many many decades.
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I don’t think that the worst massacre of Jews since the Holocaust was a “blip.”  And I have no idea what “the inauguration of things” even means.  [/quote]

And this is exactly why more and more people are losing sympathy for Israelis. They are in their own incredibly privilaged bubble of disassociative isolation.  [/quote]

Not sure I follow.  More and more people are losing sympathy for Israelis because Israelis were slaughtered on October 7?[/quote]

No, it’s because Israel’s wiping out of Gaza (starvation of Palestinians, sniper shootings of children, destruction of hospitals, targeting relief groups, etc.) is a disproportionate response to October 7.

Even Israeli soldiers are protesting:

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/protest-letters-from-former-israeli-soldiers-reveal-major-rifts-over-ongoing-war-in-gaza

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OK, so the argument has now shifted to it’s a “disproportionate” response.  That is progress.

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Anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together understands that keeping aid from starving, dying children (who btw did not choose to hurt Israelis) is not a proportionate response.

I was fairly ambivalent about all this before (heartbroken by the innocent people being harmed, but aware that both sides were committing wrongs). But now I and so disgusted by Israel and how many of its citizens are supporting this that I can no longer muster any sympathy for them.

And I also judge them even more for hurling accusations of antisemitism if anyone calls them out for genocide.

Nope, you don’t get to commit atrocities and then cite historical atrocities against your ancestors as a shield to responsibility for your actions. 
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+100

There is no moral high ground to be found on either "side" when the murder of innocent people is a popular tool of warfare in a never ending conflict.[/quote]

Agree 100%. I'm so angry.  I'm a POC who has had a lot of empathy for Holocaust survivors and have watched most movies and read books, and even bought "Maus" for my DS when he was old enough to read it. Realized I had never seen "The Pianist"  with Adrian Brody so I signed it out of the library recently. I found myself watching it with indifference - it's the same f*** story told in multiple ways and I couldn't care less.  I didn't finish it.

I don't think I can watch any more of these movies or read any more books about the victimization of Jews anymore. I'm sorry, I know it makes me appear antisemitic but enough is enough. You are not the center of the universe! Other people do matter.

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Feels like every headline I see coming out of Gaza these past few days has parallels to the Holocaust that we studied so extensively in school. "Never again" is really just a meaningless slogan. The forced starvation, the talk of limiting calories, the speech of Israeli politicians normalizing the killing of children, the dehumanization and othering of Gazans just to name a few of the parallels.[/quote]

There are Holocaust survivors who agree with you:

“Hajo Meyer, who survived 10 months in the Auschwitz death camp in Poland, argued during his lifetime that "what is happening to the Palestinians every day under the occupation" was "almost identical" to "what was done to the German Jews before the 'Final Solution….”

https://www.commondreams.org/news/holocaust-survivors-gaza-genocide[/quote]

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