Anonymous wrote:The short answer to OP's question is that we, as individual citizens, really don't have any power to "do" anything about this. Sure, I could write my congressmen and senators, but I'm pretty sure they already know it's bad. Trump doesn't care what they think.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are all the Arab countries so silent?

They sure don’t seem nearly as sympathetic to the flight of the Palestinians as your average campus protestor. Maybe they see the Palestinians as the aggressors and not the victims?

The starving Palestinian children? We are talking about getting humanitarian aid in. How bad do you have to be to not allow aid?

I used to support Israel but you have lost all my support. Anyone who is not sickened by what is happening is a monster.

I’m equally sickened by terrorist organizations and their apologists. Children are starving because of Hamas.

Hamas is evil. The children are children for God's sake. There is something very very wrong with you if you can't understand that allowing - no, not allowing causing - children to starve is an atrocity.

Israel is starving the children. On purpose.

So why does Israel get all the blame and Hamas gets none? Hamas is also starving the children on purpose. I’ll accept shared responsibility for this humanitarian crisis but the blood is not solely on Israel’s hands.

Nobody, nobody is claiming it’s all Israel. Hamas started a big conflict. Since then Israel has turned from the victim to the bully. They’re no longer trying to get rid of Hamas. They are trying to get rid of all Palestinians. If that means murdering every man, woman and child then that’s what they’ll do.

You're absolutely right. Hamas started this conflict in 1946 when they bombed the King David hotel in Jerusalem

You mean Israel? Careful what you write. So many Americans don’t know the history of the founding of Israel.

If I admit I am ignorant about the true founding of Israel, where can I go for some unbiased information?

I believe it was created as a settlement in the 18th century by the British who wanted to build a market in the Middle East for their goods.

It's a pretty complicated history.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are all the Arab countries so silent?

They sure don’t seem nearly as sympathetic to the flight of the Palestinians as your average campus protestor. Maybe they see the Palestinians as the aggressors and not the victims?

The starving Palestinian children? We are talking about getting humanitarian aid in. How bad do you have to be to not allow aid?

I used to support Israel but you have lost all my support. Anyone who is not sickened by what is happening is a monster.

I’m equally sickened by terrorist organizations and their apologists. Children are starving because of Hamas.

Hamas is evil. The children are children for God's sake. There is something very very wrong with you if you can't understand that allowing - no, not allowing causing - children to starve is an atrocity.

Israel is starving the children. On purpose.

So why does Israel get all the blame and Hamas gets none? Hamas is also starving the children on purpose. I’ll accept shared responsibility for this humanitarian crisis but the blood is not solely on Israel’s hands.

Nobody, nobody is claiming it’s all Israel. Hamas started a big conflict. Since then Israel has turned from the victim to the bully. They’re no longer trying to get rid of Hamas. They are trying to get rid of all Palestinians. If that means murdering every man, woman and child then that’s what they’ll do.

You're absolutely right. Hamas started this conflict in 1946 when they bombed the King David hotel in Jerusalem

You mean Israel? Careful what you write. So many Americans don’t know the history of the founding of Israel.

If I admit I am ignorant about the true founding of Israel, where can I go for some unbiased information?

I believe it was created as a settlement in the 18th century by the British who wanted to build a market in the Middle East for their goods.

It's a pretty complicated history.

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Anonymous wrote:Former Israeli MK Moshe Feiglin and member Netanyahu's Likud party, states the following: "Every child, every baby in Gaza is an enemy. The enemy is not Hamas... We need to conquer Gaza and colonize it and not leave a single Gazan child there. There is no other victory."

https://x.com/QudsNen/status/1924823111230230814

This is sick. This is what zionism is.

How the hell does anyone stand by Israel?

I mean, I don’t agree with what is happening, but they aren’t wrong that Gazan children will grow up to hate Israelis and are effectively “the enemy.”

I mean, did Jewish survivors of the Holocaust grow up to love the Nazis?

Do vile things, and people will hate you. It's not incomprehensible nor nonsensical.

But that is also why the Israelis hate Hamas in the first place. It’s a viscous cycle. I can see why a Gazan child is a potential Hamas soldier to them. And I can understand why Gazans feel the same about Israeli children.

Your equivocation is gag inducing. Genocide is not the answer.

I already said I don’t agree with what’s happening. But a mutual hatred is hardly difficult to comprehend.

DP. The mutuality is difficult for me to understand. When you are displaced and brutalized, trying to fight back is understandable. It hasn't much helped the Palestinians, but I understand the reasoning. It's almost as if some Jews (Israelis and zionists) think Palestinians were responsible for the Holocaust - the hatred that many have for Palestinians is unwarranted and incomprehensible to me. Their hatred is overwhelmingly misplaced.

It would not be unreasonable for Israelis to have less than warm feelings toward the perpetrators of the October 7 massacre, namely, Hamas and its associates of that day.

How utterly privileged of Israelis to think this began on October 7th.

The October 7 massacre perpetrated by Hamas did indeed occur on October 7. It would not be unreasonable for Israelis to be concerned that Ha*** vowed to repeat it.

You cannot possibly be this bad at reading.

Not sure I follow. I am having a hard time with seeing how the Israelis murdered, raped, maimed, burned, and kidnapped on October 7 were privileged. Not sure what the “this” is.

Here's my comment again: "How utterly privileged of Israelis to think this began on October 7th."

The fact that you think the October 7th was the inauguration of things, makes it incredibly clear how privileged you are, to completely ignore the crimes, the persecution, the horrors, the trauma, and the displacement faced by Palestinians LONG, LONG, LONG before October 7th. October 7th was terrible, but it's a blip in the grand experience and terrorism inflicted BY Israel and ONTO Palestinians for many many decades.

I don’t think that the worst massacre of Jews since the Holocaust was a “blip.” And I have no idea what “the inauguration of things” even means.

And this is exactly why more and more people are losing sympathy for Israelis. They are in their own incredibly privilaged bubble of disassociative isolation.

Not sure I follow. More and more people are losing sympathy for Israelis because Israelis were slaughtered on October 7?

No, it’s because Israel’s wiping out of Gaza (starvation of Palestinians, sniper shootings of children, destruction of hospitals, targeting relief groups, etc.) is a disproportionate response to October 7.

Even Israeli soldiers are protesting:

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/protest-letters-from-former-israeli-soldiers-reveal-major-rifts-over-ongoing-war-in-gaza

OK, so the argument has now shifted to it’s a “disproportionate” response. That is progress.

Anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together understands that keeping aid from starving, dying children (who btw did not choose to hurt Israelis) is not a proportionate response.

I was fairly ambivalent about all this before (heartbroken by the innocent people being harmed, but aware that both sides were committing wrongs). But now I and so disgusted by Israel and how many of its citizens are supporting this that I can no longer muster any sympathy for them.

And I also judge them even more for hurling accusations of antisemitism if anyone calls them out for genocide.

Nope, you don’t get to commit atrocities and then cite historical atrocities against your ancestors as a shield to responsibility for your actions.

+100

There is no moral high ground to be found on either "side" when the murder of innocent people is a popular tool of warfare in a never ending conflict.

Agree 100%. I'm so angry. I'm a POC who has had a lot of empathy for Holocaust survivors and have watched most movies and read books, and even bought "Maus" for my DS when he was old enough to read it. Realized I had never seen "The Pianist" with Adrian Brody so I signed it out of the library recently. I found myself watching it with indifference - it's the same f*** story told in multiple ways and I couldn't care less. I didn't finish it.

I don't think I can watch any more of these movies or read any more books about the victimization of Jews anymore. I'm sorry, I know it makes me appear antisemitic but enough is enough. You are not the center of the universe! Other people do matter.

Feels like every headline I see coming out of Gaza these past few days has parallels to the Holocaust that we studied so extensively in school. "Never again" is really just a meaningless slogan. The forced starvation, the talk of limiting calories, the speech of Israeli politicians normalizing the killing of children, the dehumanization and othering of Gazans just to name a few of the parallels.

There are Holocaust survivors who agree with you:

“Hajo Meyer, who survived 10 months in the Auschwitz death camp in Poland, argued during his lifetime that "what is happening to the Palestinians every day under the occupation" was "almost identical" to "what was done to the German Jews before the 'Final Solution….”

https://www.commondreams.org/news/holocaust-survivors-gaza-genocide

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Anonymous wrote:Former Israeli MK Moshe Feiglin and member Netanyahu's Likud party, states the following: "Every child, every baby in Gaza is an enemy. The enemy is not Hamas... We need to conquer Gaza and colonize it and not leave a single Gazan child there. There is no other victory."

https://x.com/QudsNen/status/1924823111230230814

This is sick. This is what zionism is.

How the hell does anyone stand by Israel?

I mean, I don’t agree with what is happening, but they aren’t wrong that Gazan children will grow up to hate Israelis and are effectively “the enemy.”

I mean, did Jewish survivors of the Holocaust grow up to love the Nazis?

Do vile things, and people will hate you. It's not incomprehensible nor nonsensical.

But that is also why the Israelis hate Hamas in the first place. It’s a viscous cycle. I can see why a Gazan child is a potential Hamas soldier to them. And I can understand why Gazans feel the same about Israeli children.

Your equivocation is gag inducing. Genocide is not the answer.

I already said I don’t agree with what’s happening. But a mutual hatred is hardly difficult to comprehend.

DP. The mutuality is difficult for me to understand. When you are displaced and brutalized, trying to fight back is understandable. It hasn't much helped the Palestinians, but I understand the reasoning. It's almost as if some Jews (Israelis and zionists) think Palestinians were responsible for the Holocaust - the hatred that many have for Palestinians is unwarranted and incomprehensible to me. Their hatred is overwhelmingly misplaced.

It would not be unreasonable for Israelis to have less than warm feelings toward the perpetrators of the October 7 massacre, namely, Hamas and its associates of that day.

How utterly privileged of Israelis to think this began on October 7th.

The October 7 massacre perpetrated by Hamas did indeed occur on October 7. It would not be unreasonable for Israelis to be concerned that Ha*** vowed to repeat it.

You cannot possibly be this bad at reading.

Not sure I follow. I am having a hard time with seeing how the Israelis murdered, raped, maimed, burned, and kidnapped on October 7 were privileged. Not sure what the “this” is.

Here's my comment again: "How utterly privileged of Israelis to think this began on October 7th."

The fact that you think the October 7th was the inauguration of things, makes it incredibly clear how privileged you are, to completely ignore the crimes, the persecution, the horrors, the trauma, and the displacement faced by Palestinians LONG, LONG, LONG before October 7th. October 7th was terrible, but it's a blip in the grand experience and terrorism inflicted BY Israel and ONTO Palestinians for many many decades.

I don’t think that the worst massacre of Jews since the Holocaust was a “blip.” And I have no idea what “the inauguration of things” even means.

And this is exactly why more and more people are losing sympathy for Israelis. They are in their own incredibly privilaged bubble of disassociative isolation.

Not sure I follow. More and more people are losing sympathy for Israelis because Israelis were slaughtered on October 7?

No, it’s because Israel’s wiping out of Gaza (starvation of Palestinians, sniper shootings of children, destruction of hospitals, targeting relief groups, etc.) is a disproportionate response to October 7.

Even Israeli soldiers are protesting:

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/protest-letters-from-former-israeli-soldiers-reveal-major-rifts-over-ongoing-war-in-gaza

OK, so the argument has now shifted to it’s a “disproportionate” response. That is progress.

Anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together understands that keeping aid from starving, dying children (who btw did not choose to hurt Israelis) is not a proportionate response.

I was fairly ambivalent about all this before (heartbroken by the innocent people being harmed, but aware that both sides were committing wrongs). But now I and so disgusted by Israel and how many of its citizens are supporting this that I can no longer muster any sympathy for them.

And I also judge them even more for hurling accusations of antisemitism if anyone calls them out for genocide.

Nope, you don’t get to commit atrocities and then cite historical atrocities against your ancestors as a shield to responsibility for your actions.

+100

There is no moral high ground to be found on either "side" when the murder of innocent people is a popular tool of warfare in a never ending conflict.

Agree 100%. I'm so angry. I'm a POC who has had a lot of empathy for Holocaust survivors and have watched most movies and read books, and even bought "Maus" for my DS when he was old enough to read it. Realized I had never seen "The Pianist" with Adrian Brody so I signed it out of the library recently. I found myself watching it with indifference - it's the same f*** story told in multiple ways and I couldn't care less. I didn't finish it.

I don't think I can watch any more of these movies or read any more books about the victimization of Jews anymore. I'm sorry, I know it makes me appear antisemitic but enough is enough. You are not the center of the universe! Other people do matter.

Feels like every headline I see coming out of Gaza these past few days has parallels to the Holocaust that we studied so extensively in school. "Never again" is really just a meaningless slogan. The forced starvation, the talk of limiting calories, the speech of Israeli politicians normalizing the killing of children, the dehumanization and othering of Gazans just to name a few of the parallels.

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Anonymous wrote:Former Israeli MK Moshe Feiglin and member Netanyahu's Likud party, states the following: "Every child, every baby in Gaza is an enemy. The enemy is not Hamas... We need to conquer Gaza and colonize it and not leave a single Gazan child there. There is no other victory."

https://x.com/QudsNen/status/1924823111230230814

This is sick. This is what zionism is.

How the hell does anyone stand by Israel?

I mean, I don’t agree with what is happening, but they aren’t wrong that Gazan children will grow up to hate Israelis and are effectively “the enemy.”

I mean, did Jewish survivors of the Holocaust grow up to love the Nazis?

Do vile things, and people will hate you. It's not incomprehensible nor nonsensical.

But that is also why the Israelis hate Hamas in the first place. It’s a viscous cycle. I can see why a Gazan child is a potential Hamas soldier to them. And I can understand why Gazans feel the same about Israeli children.

Your equivocation is gag inducing. Genocide is not the answer.

I already said I don’t agree with what’s happening. But a mutual hatred is hardly difficult to comprehend.

DP. The mutuality is difficult for me to understand. When you are displaced and brutalized, trying to fight back is understandable. It hasn't much helped the Palestinians, but I understand the reasoning. It's almost as if some Jews (Israelis and zionists) think Palestinians were responsible for the Holocaust - the hatred that many have for Palestinians is unwarranted and incomprehensible to me. Their hatred is overwhelmingly misplaced.

It would not be unreasonable for Israelis to have less than warm feelings toward the perpetrators of the October 7 massacre, namely, Hamas and its associates of that day.

How utterly privileged of Israelis to think this began on October 7th.

The October 7 massacre perpetrated by Hamas did indeed occur on October 7. It would not be unreasonable for Israelis to be concerned that Ha*** vowed to repeat it.

You cannot possibly be this bad at reading.

Not sure I follow. I am having a hard time with seeing how the Israelis murdered, raped, maimed, burned, and kidnapped on October 7 were privileged. Not sure what the “this” is.

Here's my comment again: "How utterly privileged of Israelis to think this began on October 7th."

The fact that you think the October 7th was the inauguration of things, makes it incredibly clear how privileged you are, to completely ignore the crimes, the persecution, the horrors, the trauma, and the displacement faced by Palestinians LONG, LONG, LONG before October 7th. October 7th was terrible, but it's a blip in the grand experience and terrorism inflicted BY Israel and ONTO Palestinians for many many decades.

I don’t think that the worst massacre of Jews since the Holocaust was a “blip.” And I have no idea what “the inauguration of things” even means.

And this is exactly why more and more people are losing sympathy for Israelis. They are in their own incredibly privilaged bubble of disassociative isolation.

Not sure I follow. More and more people are losing sympathy for Israelis because Israelis were slaughtered on October 7?

No, it’s because Israel’s wiping out of Gaza (starvation of Palestinians, sniper shootings of children, destruction of hospitals, targeting relief groups, etc.) is a disproportionate response to October 7.

Even Israeli soldiers are protesting:

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/protest-letters-from-former-israeli-soldiers-reveal-major-rifts-over-ongoing-war-in-gaza

OK, so the argument has now shifted to it’s a “disproportionate” response. That is progress.

Anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together understands that keeping aid from starving, dying children (who btw did not choose to hurt Israelis) is not a proportionate response.

I was fairly ambivalent about all this before (heartbroken by the innocent people being harmed, but aware that both sides were committing wrongs). But now I and so disgusted by Israel and how many of its citizens are supporting this that I can no longer muster any sympathy for them.

And I also judge them even more for hurling accusations of antisemitism if anyone calls them out for genocide.

Nope, you don’t get to commit atrocities and then cite historical atrocities against your ancestors as a shield to responsibility for your actions.

+100

There is no moral high ground to be found on either "side" when the murder of innocent people is a popular tool of warfare in a never ending conflict.

Agree 100%. I'm so angry. I'm a POC who has had a lot of empathy for Holocaust survivors and have watched most movies and read books, and even bought "Maus" for my DS when he was old enough to read it. Realized I had never seen "The Pianist" with Adrian Brody so I signed it out of the library recently. I found myself watching it with indifference - it's the same f*** story told in multiple ways and I couldn't care less. I didn't finish it.

I don't think I can watch any more of these movies or read any more books about the victimization of Jews anymore. I'm sorry, I know it makes me appear antisemitic but enough is enough. You are not the center of the universe! Other people do matter.

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https://x.com/QudsNen/status/1924823111230230814

This is sick. This is what zionism is.

How the hell does anyone stand by Israel?

I mean, I don’t agree with what is happening, but they aren’t wrong that Gazan children will grow up to hate Israelis and are effectively “the enemy.”

I mean, did Jewish survivors of the Holocaust grow up to love the Nazis?

Do vile things, and people will hate you. It's not incomprehensible nor nonsensical.

But that is also why the Israelis hate Hamas in the first place. It’s a viscous cycle. I can see why a Gazan child is a potential Hamas soldier to them. And I can understand why Gazans feel the same about Israeli children.

Your equivocation is gag inducing. Genocide is not the answer.

I already said I don’t agree with what’s happening. But a mutual hatred is hardly difficult to comprehend.

DP. The mutuality is difficult for me to understand. When you are displaced and brutalized, trying to fight back is understandable. It hasn't much helped the Palestinians, but I understand the reasoning. It's almost as if some Jews (Israelis and zionists) think Palestinians were responsible for the Holocaust - the hatred that many have for Palestinians is unwarranted and incomprehensible to me. Their hatred is overwhelmingly misplaced.

It would not be unreasonable for Israelis to have less than warm feelings toward the perpetrators of the October 7 massacre, namely, Hamas and its associates of that day.

How utterly privileged of Israelis to think this began on October 7th.

The October 7 massacre perpetrated by Hamas did indeed occur on October 7. It would not be unreasonable for Israelis to be concerned that Ha*** vowed to repeat it.

You cannot possibly be this bad at reading.

Not sure I follow. I am having a hard time with seeing how the Israelis murdered, raped, maimed, burned, and kidnapped on October 7 were privileged. Not sure what the “this” is.

Here's my comment again: "How utterly privileged of Israelis to think this began on October 7th."

The fact that you think the October 7th was the inauguration of things, makes it incredibly clear how privileged you are, to completely ignore the crimes, the persecution, the horrors, the trauma, and the displacement faced by Palestinians LONG, LONG, LONG before October 7th. October 7th was terrible, but it's a blip in the grand experience and terrorism inflicted BY Israel and ONTO Palestinians for many many decades.

I don’t think that the worst massacre of Jews since the Holocaust was a “blip.” And I have no idea what “the inauguration of things” even means.

And this is exactly why more and more people are losing sympathy for Israelis. They are in their own incredibly privilaged bubble of disassociative isolation.

Not sure I follow. More and more people are losing sympathy for Israelis because Israelis were slaughtered on October 7?

No, it’s because Israel’s wiping out of Gaza (starvation of Palestinians, sniper shootings of children, destruction of hospitals, targeting relief groups, etc.) is a disproportionate response to October 7.

Even Israeli soldiers are protesting:

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/protest-letters-from-former-israeli-soldiers-reveal-major-rifts-over-ongoing-war-in-gaza

OK, so the argument has now shifted to it’s a “disproportionate” response. That is progress.

Anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together understands that keeping aid from starving, dying children (who btw did not choose to hurt Israelis) is not a proportionate response.

I was fairly ambivalent about all this before (heartbroken by the innocent people being harmed, but aware that both sides were committing wrongs). But now I and so disgusted by Israel and how many of its citizens are supporting this that I can no longer muster any sympathy for them.

And I also judge them even more for hurling accusations of antisemitism if anyone calls them out for genocide.

Nope, you don’t get to commit atrocities and then cite historical atrocities against your ancestors as a shield to responsibility for your actions.

+100

There is no moral high ground to be found on either "side" when the murder of innocent people is a popular tool of warfare in a never ending conflict.

Agree 100%. I'm so angry. I'm a POC who has had a lot of empathy for Holocaust survivors and have watched most movies and read books, and even bought "Maus" for my DS when he was old enough to read it. Realized I had never seen "The Pianist" with Adrian Brody so I signed it out of the library recently. I found myself watching it with indifference - it's the same f*** story told in multiple ways and I couldn't care less. I didn't finish it.

I don't think I can watch any more of these movies or read any more books about the victimization of Jews anymore. I'm sorry, I know it makes me appear antisemitic but enough is enough. You are not the center of the universe! Other people do matter.

Feels like every headline I see coming out of Gaza these past few days has parallels to the Holocaust that we studied so extensively in school. "Never again" is really just a meaningless slogan. The forced starvation, the talk of limiting calories, the speech of Israeli politicians normalizing the killing of children, the dehumanization and othering of Gazans just to name a few of the parallels.

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It could be argued that it would be constructive if those who hold Palestinian hostages (10,000) in Israel would release them.

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Anonymous wrote:Former Israeli MK Moshe Feiglin and member Netanyahu's Likud party, states the following: "Every child, every baby in Gaza is an enemy. The enemy is not Hamas... We need to conquer Gaza and colonize it and not leave a single Gazan child there. There is no other victory."

https://x.com/QudsNen/status/1924823111230230814

This is sick. This is what zionism is.

How the hell does anyone stand by Israel?

I mean, I don’t agree with what is happening, but they aren’t wrong that Gazan children will grow up to hate Israelis and are effectively “the enemy.”

I mean, did Jewish survivors of the Holocaust grow up to love the Nazis?

Do vile things, and people will hate you. It's not incomprehensible nor nonsensical.

But that is also why the Israelis hate Hamas in the first place. It’s a viscous cycle. I can see why a Gazan child is a potential Hamas soldier to them. And I can understand why Gazans feel the same about Israeli children.

Your equivocation is gag inducing. Genocide is not the answer.

I already said I don’t agree with what’s happening. But a mutual hatred is hardly difficult to comprehend.

DP. The mutuality is difficult for me to understand. When you are displaced and brutalized, trying to fight back is understandable. It hasn't much helped the Palestinians, but I understand the reasoning. It's almost as if some Jews (Israelis and zionists) think Palestinians were responsible for the Holocaust - the hatred that many have for Palestinians is unwarranted and incomprehensible to me. Their hatred is overwhelmingly misplaced.

It would not be unreasonable for Israelis to have less than warm feelings toward the perpetrators of the October 7 massacre, namely, Hamas and its associates of that day.

How utterly privileged of Israelis to think this began on October 7th.

The October 7 massacre perpetrated by Hamas did indeed occur on October 7. It would not be unreasonable for Israelis to be concerned that Ha*** vowed to repeat it.

You cannot possibly be this bad at reading.

Not sure I follow. I am having a hard time with seeing how the Israelis murdered, raped, maimed, burned, and kidnapped on October 7 were privileged. Not sure what the “this” is.

Here's my comment again: "How utterly privileged of Israelis to think this began on October 7th."

The fact that you think the October 7th was the inauguration of things, makes it incredibly clear how privileged you are, to completely ignore the crimes, the persecution, the horrors, the trauma, and the displacement faced by Palestinians LONG, LONG, LONG before October 7th. October 7th was terrible, but it's a blip in the grand experience and terrorism inflicted BY Israel and ONTO Palestinians for many many decades.

I don’t think that the worst massacre of Jews since the Holocaust was a “blip.” And I have no idea what “the inauguration of things” even means.

And this is exactly why more and more people are losing sympathy for Israelis. They are in their own incredibly privilaged bubble of disassociative isolation.

Not sure I follow. More and more people are losing sympathy for Israelis because Israelis were slaughtered on October 7?

No, it’s because Israel’s wiping out of Gaza (starvation of Palestinians, sniper shootings of children, destruction of hospitals, targeting relief groups, etc.) is a disproportionate response to October 7.

Even Israeli soldiers are protesting:

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/protest-letters-from-former-israeli-soldiers-reveal-major-rifts-over-ongoing-war-in-gaza

OK, so the argument has now shifted to it’s a “disproportionate” response. That is progress.

Anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together understands that keeping aid from starving, dying children (who btw did not choose to hurt Israelis) is not a proportionate response.

I was fairly ambivalent about all this before (heartbroken by the innocent people being harmed, but aware that both sides were committing wrongs). But now I and so disgusted by Israel and how many of its citizens are supporting this that I can no longer muster any sympathy for them.

And I also judge them even more for hurling accusations of antisemitism if anyone calls them out for genocide.

Nope, you don’t get to commit atrocities and then cite historical atrocities against your ancestors as a shield to responsibility for your actions.

+100

There is no moral high ground to be found on either "side" when the murder of innocent people is a popular tool of warfare in a never ending conflict.

Agree 100%. I'm so angry. I'm a POC who has had a lot of empathy for Holocaust survivors and have watched most movies and read books, and even bought "Maus" for my DS when he was old enough to read it. Realized I had never seen "The Pianist" with Adrian Brody so I signed it out of the library recently. I found myself watching it with indifference - it's the same f*** story told in multiple ways and I couldn't care less. I didn't finish it.

I don't think I can watch any more of these movies or read any more books about the victimization of Jews anymore. I'm sorry, I know it makes me appear antisemitic but enough is enough. You are not the center of the universe! Other people do matter.

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Anonymous wrote:Former Israeli MK Moshe Feiglin and member Netanyahu's Likud party, states the following: "Every child, every baby in Gaza is an enemy. The enemy is not Hamas... We need to conquer Gaza and colonize it and not leave a single Gazan child there. There is no other victory."

https://x.com/QudsNen/status/1924823111230230814

This is sick. This is what zionism is.

How the hell does anyone stand by Israel?

I mean, I don’t agree with what is happening, but they aren’t wrong that Gazan children will grow up to hate Israelis and are effectively “the enemy.”

I mean, did Jewish survivors of the Holocaust grow up to love the Nazis?

Do vile things, and people will hate you. It's not incomprehensible nor nonsensical.

But that is also why the Israelis hate Hamas in the first place. It’s a viscous cycle. I can see why a Gazan child is a potential Hamas soldier to them. And I can understand why Gazans feel the same about Israeli children.

Your equivocation is gag inducing. Genocide is not the answer.

I already said I don’t agree with what’s happening. But a mutual hatred is hardly difficult to comprehend.

DP. The mutuality is difficult for me to understand. When you are displaced and brutalized, trying to fight back is understandable. It hasn't much helped the Palestinians, but I understand the reasoning. It's almost as if some Jews (Israelis and zionists) think Palestinians were responsible for the Holocaust - the hatred that many have for Palestinians is unwarranted and incomprehensible to me. Their hatred is overwhelmingly misplaced.

It would not be unreasonable for Israelis to have less than warm feelings toward the perpetrators of the October 7 massacre, namely, Hamas and its associates of that day.

How utterly privileged of Israelis to think this began on October 7th.

The October 7 massacre perpetrated by Hamas did indeed occur on October 7. It would not be unreasonable for Israelis to be concerned that Ha*** vowed to repeat it.

You cannot possibly be this bad at reading.

Not sure I follow. I am having a hard time with seeing how the Israelis murdered, raped, maimed, burned, and kidnapped on October 7 were privileged. Not sure what the “this” is.

Here's my comment again: "How utterly privileged of Israelis to think this began on October 7th."

The fact that you think the October 7th was the inauguration of things, makes it incredibly clear how privileged you are, to completely ignore the crimes, the persecution, the horrors, the trauma, and the displacement faced by Palestinians LONG, LONG, LONG before October 7th. October 7th was terrible, but it's a blip in the grand experience and terrorism inflicted BY Israel and ONTO Palestinians for many many decades.

I don’t think that the worst massacre of Jews since the Holocaust was a “blip.” And I have no idea what “the inauguration of things” even means.

And this is exactly why more and more people are losing sympathy for Israelis. They are in their own incredibly privilaged bubble of disassociative isolation.

Not sure I follow. More and more people are losing sympathy for Israelis because Israelis were slaughtered on October 7?

No, it’s because Israel’s wiping out of Gaza (starvation of Palestinians, sniper shootings of children, destruction of hospitals, targeting relief groups, etc.) is a disproportionate response to October 7.

Even Israeli soldiers are protesting:

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/protest-letters-from-former-israeli-soldiers-reveal-major-rifts-over-ongoing-war-in-gaza

OK, so the argument has now shifted to it’s a “disproportionate” response. That is progress.

Anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together understands that keeping aid from starving, dying children (who btw did not choose to hurt Israelis) is not a proportionate response.

I was fairly ambivalent about all this before (heartbroken by the innocent people being harmed, but aware that both sides were committing wrongs). But now I and so disgusted by Israel and how many of its citizens are supporting this that I can no longer muster any sympathy for them.

And I also judge them even more for hurling accusations of antisemitism if anyone calls them out for genocide.

Nope, you don’t get to commit atrocities and then cite historical atrocities against your ancestors as a shield to responsibility for your actions.

+100

There is no moral high ground to be found on either "side" when the murder of innocent people is a popular tool of warfare in a never ending conflict.

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Anonymous wrote:It could be argued that it would be constructive if those who hold Israeli hostages in Gaza would release them.

It could be argued that it would be constructive if those who hold Palestinian hostages (10,000) in Israel would release them.