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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]China and India alone have almost 3 billion citizens.

Chinese immigrants number about 2 million a year to the US.  Immigrants from India have about the same numbers.

These immigrants come here for education and better quality of life.  They are a tiny percentage of Asians but they are the most likely to be hardest working with some money and family connections.

I have a friend who came here from China as a child. We have children in the same grade and are close.  The rest of her extended family will not allow their children to be friends with American children.   They see Americans as lazy and a distraction.

It’s a different culture and with that amount of people the Asian population could easily fill MIT, Harvard, etc a thousand times over.  What are they supposed to do, especially if most of them go back to their country of origin?  [/quote]

I don’t understand the question…what are they supposed to do about what?

Why should we be sympathetic to the families that won’t assimilate?[/quote]

What are you talking about
They are the ones who assimilate to the American way and American dream - hardworking and competition

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No, the American way (which is what has made this country historically such a great place)…is that you are proud of your heritage but you are now an American and you want to embrace the country in its entirety (foibles and all).  If America evolved with just a bunch of ethnic cliques keeping to themselves, the country would have a much lower GDP and overall quality of life.

Help us really understand why you are immigrating here.  Someone posted a list of top engineering schools and 13/20 were in Asia, so no need to go to college in the US (in fact why would you?).  If you apparently hate the people and the system…help us understand.

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But the kids we are talking about are Asian AMERICAN. Their parents emigrated; they had no choice but to grow up here, become American and exist in this system. They are US citizens and can't just move back to a home country that they will never fit into.

All these hardworking, extremely intelligent asian Americans are supposed to be good soldiers and "take the hit" for American values -- they lose on both on Affirmative Action (wrong race) and on legacy admits( immigrant parents) to these elite schools. So many of these kids are the brightest ones in their high school, and they have to watch as other classmates are accepted while they are not. Of course they are going to get upset.[/quote]

Well, honestly, if it were me, and[b] I had the option to go to school in another country, I absolutely would[/b].  I think some of the posters are cutting off their nose to spite their own face. [/quote]

But do they have the option of going to school in another country?

These kids are no dual citizens -- they are US citizens. They live here. Their parents live here. Often their aunts and uncles and cousins do too, and maybe their grandparents are still in Asia, but they have passed away by college, so they don't have a real extended family in Asia.

They are American. They are not conditional citizens. They can't just "go back." They have to exist within this system and yes, it's a lottery to get into these school, but kids of other races have "ins", like, again affirmative action and legacy admits, that Asian Americans don't have access to. [/quote]

I don't understand what you are talking about.  Every year, thousands of American-born and bred kids go to school in Canada, UK, Europe, etc.  They aren't dual citizens or have any family or friends in these countries...they just made a conscious decision to go abroad for college.

How is it any different than your kids deciding to go abroad to the many top Chinese/HK/Singapore/India colleges?  How is it any different than the thousands of native Chinese, Indians, etc. who attend college in the US?[/quote]

Thank you for raising this issue.

Americans go abroad for college because (wait for it)

There is no room at American colleges.

Are you beginning to understand now? [/quote]

It's totally the opposite actually.
There are 4000+ colleges in the US.

The seats are much smaller in other countries.  
They are more controlled. [/quote]

Yup - but people want an "answer" to "how to get in" to T20, and there is no answer.

The "answer" is to let your kid shine at being themselves, not shine at how good their tutor is. But supposedly that is a rubbish, lazy, White American idea, and only certain schools will do, and only having an "answer", through tutors, etc. will do.

What they have been told all this time is not working (or the "answer"), and people are upset, and think it is some kind of "conspiracy" to keep Asians out, when it clearly is not.

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And you smartly recognize that no matter how "excellent your resume is" you may still not gain admission to the school of your dreams.  That is okay, it happens to most people and you will be just fine attending your next choices.  You are not entitled to an elite university admissions[/quote]

As long as it was a fair competition. 
If there was a racial discrimination, that's a totally different story.
The US Supreme Court will stop to that.[/quote]

When 95% of the applicants are rejected, that means many many highly qualified applicants are rejected.  Hard to distinguish the differences between applicants and say why exactly they were not admitted.  Fact is Harvard turns away many many highly qualified candidates---over 50K applicants were told NO, despite the fact 45K+ of the rejected were likely highly qualified.  [/quote]

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