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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]China and India alone have almost 3 billion citizens.

Chinese immigrants number about 2 million a year to the US.  Immigrants from India have about the same numbers.

These immigrants come here for education and better quality of life.  They are a tiny percentage of Asians but they are the most likely to be hardest working with some money and family connections.

I have a friend who came here from China as a child. We have children in the same grade and are close.  The rest of her extended family will not allow their children to be friends with American children.   They see Americans as lazy and a distraction.

It’s a different culture and with that amount of people the Asian population could easily fill MIT, Harvard, etc a thousand times over.  What are they supposed to do, especially if most of them go back to their country of origin?  [/quote]

I don’t understand the question…what are they supposed to do about what?

Why should we be sympathetic to the families that won’t assimilate?[/quote]

What are you talking about
They are the ones who assimilate to the American way and American dream - hardworking and competition

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No, the American way (which is what has made this country historically such a great place)…is that you are proud of your heritage but you are now an American and you want to embrace the country in its entirety (foibles and all).  If America evolved with just a bunch of ethnic cliques keeping to themselves, the country would have a much lower GDP and overall quality of life.

Help us really understand why you are immigrating here.  Someone posted a list of top engineering schools and 13/20 were in Asia, so no need to go to college in the US (in fact why would you?).  If you apparently hate the people and the system…help us understand.

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But the kids we are talking about are Asian AMERICAN. Their parents emigrated; they had no choice but to grow up here, become American and exist in this system. They are US citizens and can't just move back to a home country that they will never fit into.

All these hardworking, extremely intelligent asian Americans are supposed to be good soldiers and "take the hit" for American values -- they lose on both on Affirmative Action (wrong race) and on legacy admits( immigrant parents) to these elite schools. So many of these kids are the brightest ones in their high school, and they have to watch as other classmates are accepted while they are not. Of course they are going to get upset.[/quote]

Well, honestly, if it were me, and[b] I had the option to go to school in another country, I absolutely would[/b].  I think some of the posters are cutting off their nose to spite their own face. [/quote]

But do they have the option of going to school in another country?

These kids are no dual citizens -- they are US citizens. They live here. Their parents live here. Often their aunts and uncles and cousins do too, and maybe their grandparents are still in Asia, but they have passed away by college, so they don't have a real extended family in Asia.

They are American. They are not conditional citizens. They can't just "go back." They have to exist within this system and yes, it's a lottery to get into these school, but kids of other races have "ins", like, again affirmative action and legacy admits, that Asian Americans don't have access to. [/quote]

Funny how some become racial justice warriors only when their kid gets rejected.

It really boils down to " my Asian American kid doesn't have a hook to get into Harvard like the URMs and ALDCs - unfair! Bwwahhh!"

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It's not about being a "racial justice warrior." The question of whether or not Asian Americans are being discriminated against in college admissions is such a legitimate question that it has gone to the Supreme Court. And when Asian Americans who bring it up here, they are being, honestly, gaslighted and made to feel that they are crazy when we can see that it may actually be happening. [/quote] The actual numbers prove otherwise. There is no shortage of Asian representation at any highly regarded university in this country. To be honest, their over representation feels more like gaslighting.[/quote]

Well stated.  Wonder if the Supreme Court will notice this, and act accordingly? [/quote]

Every individual should be viewed and treated as an individual not as a part of a group.

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That makes sense. Thank you. [/quote]

It might make sense but does not necessarily carry the day.

It has NEVER been the case that even elite colleges only wanted high GPA + test scores.  They want a range of students, academically, socioeconomically, ethnically, geographically, and with different talents and skills.

But colleges have never just gone down the list of GPA and test scores to build the most academically accomplished class it can.  That’s a very narrow idea of what a university is about and what it does.  Grades, and to an even greater extent, test scores, measure only a fraction of a person’s abilities.   That’s why I really don’t mind holistic admissions.  The fact that someone has lower grades and test scores doesn’t equate to that person contributing less to the university than someone with higher ones. [/quote]

But to the rich kids (both white and asian) who have been prepping their kids for Ivy or bust since they were born, they do not seem smart enough to recognize that gpa and sat alone is not what most colleges are looking for.  No, their 1600 kid is not smarter than the kid with a 1450---both are really smart and the 1450 might just bring more to the table overall once you look outside test taking.   So much goes into picking the right kids for each T25 school (and even those lower ranked).  Interests, majors, demographics, economic background, etc....all play a role.  But these parents can only respond with "but my kid got a 1590 and is smarter than everyone else".  Maybe therein lies the issues---the kid is a robot, programmed to excel at test taking, getting good grades and participating in activities that check the boxes for college, but the kid is not the highly motivated, change the world go getter that Harvard is looking for.  In reality the "special sauce"/"it factor"/"likeability"/EQ whatever you want to call it does help them decide who is the best fit.  But also you've gotta recognize that even then, they will still turn away many more than they accept who are the whole picture and would make excellent students.   
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