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At this point she has very few allies left on the show.  Possibly the stupid cow Ramona and yet Ramona will ditch her in a heartbeat if she thinks it will play out well for her.[/quote]

Does Bethenny have any allies left on the show?  It seems like they mostly show her talking to her driver, her makeup team, and her assistants. [/quote]

Well, she's had a sudden change of heart about Sonja and Luann. Now they are tight, when she was about ready to sue Sonja into oblivion a few years ago and called Luann a whore a year ago. This show is so dysfunctional, as are the people who appear on it. [/quote]

Or like how just a few seasons ago Dorinda couldn't stand Carole and called her a mean girl for picking on Jules and now they're best friends?  Or Carole could barely tolerate Ramona the Trump supporter and now she's suddenly buds with her and says she's not so bad.

Get real, they all turn on a dime.[/quote]

That's what I said, they are all a crazy mess. It's like a merry-go-round of frenemies. Also, I don't think Carole ever cozied up to Ramona. She tolerated her, at best. They're not hanging out off-screen.[/quote]

She started to be ok with Ramona because Ramona is venomously anti-Bethenny.  That's it.  Only reason.  I actually think Carole is very strategic and thought this was all going to go her way.  A la Brandi Glanville trying to take down LVP and nearly succeeding.[/quote]

Uh, no. I think Ramona is absolutely team Carole for that reason, but it's not mutual.

And no, that theory is not based on logic. Carole had a real-life falling out with Bethenny, but there's no scenario in which Carole was trying to get her off the show. I mean, I don't think anyone other than Ramona is delusional enough to think they have enough leverage to get her off. I do, however, think that Bethenny decided to try to push Carole off the show once their friendship went south, and when Carole realized, she got angry; I suspect this is about the time of her blogs. Bethenny is the one who has the power to get someone fired, and she I think she did. But Carole may have tried to beat her to the punch by quitting first. Either way, Bethenny is no victim here. [/quote]

I'm surprised by the posters shedding tears for Bethenny. I have never seen Andy so defend one of the members of his show as last night. His favoritism was shocking. Bethenny isn't a kind person. She is a person who looks down on most other people. Over the years, and it has gotten so much worse, B has shown that she thinks she is bigger, better, smarter, classier than everyone. We've never seen a relationship that she didn't torpodeo. She has to be the alpha. Always. Anyone who doesn't play the lesser gets destroyed. I think Carole and she are fundamentally different re morality. Carole would rather be a nice person. B couldn't care less. I'm sure Carole saw the real side of B and imagine what that is like given what we see on tv.

I do agree with B that the others are in denial about Dorinda's drinking problem but on these shows the women often agree not to broach some problems on tv. Both Lou and Sonja have had substance abuse problems and they were never addressed directly. It was widely speculated that Dorinda and John had problems with coke. Dorinda wasn't honest about how she acted at the cabaret re the dresses. Dorinda was embarrasing. I love Dorinda and hope she gets help. I have no use for B. I wish they would send her off on another show. I'm also done with Sonja and wish she would go.

The women are correct that it kills B to ever give any of the other women props for what they do. She belittles everyone in their endeavors. The nutcracker issue was an example. She belittles Dorinda for being upset but B contorted herself not to give her credit. She has done that in a lot of cases. B is about B and only gives the least amount of support to the other women. She's a pain to film with. She is not trustworthy.[/quote]

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