Carole has been right and has had many valid points this season.

But when she came out screeching about the Dream Team? Yeah, done with you.

Tinsley May be boring and ditzy, but she is too genuinely kind and fair to go after someone in a calculated way. She shut down Ramona’s too-low blows.

Respect.

Anonymous wrote:I lost a lot of respect for Andy Cohen over him protecting Betheny. If he's going to encourage the friendships to be conducted in the Thunderdome, he should be willing to let B suffer the natural consequences of being a complete selfish, insufferable b***h to every single castmate.

He is never neutral in the reunions. I think he usually takes the position of the “average” Bravo viewer...whatever the popular opinion is in that particular storyline or season.

He’s not moderating a presidential debate!!! I just don’t think there’s any expectation or need for him to be totally neutral.

I lost a lot of respect for Andy Cohen over him protecting Betheny. If he's going to encourage the friendships to be conducted in the Thunderdome, he should be willing to let B suffer the natural consequences of being a complete selfish, insufferable b***h to every single castmate.

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Anonymous wrote:Carole's definition of ride or die seems to be, once I've aligned myself with you I will never ever call you on any of your atrocious behavior.

When she was buds with Bethenny, she didn't call her on anything when she really should have (the screaming at LuAnn business). And now Dorinda. You're really not going to tell Dorinda that she is a drunken, Joker-esque, hot mess?

That's not my definition of a good friend. My definition of a good friend is someone who kindly points out to me when I'm going down the wrong path.

Off-screen though. Not as a character on TV. That's what a real friend would do.

I totally understand what you are saying, but it can't really work that way when the horrid behavior is on camera. These women have chosen to put their lives out there. We can all see when Bethenny screams like an unhinged lunatic or Dorinda blacks out and insults people. There is no unseeing it. And then the behavior is discussed because that's the format of the show. Sure, do it in a kind and constructive way with your friend, but to sit there and deny it publicly is delusional.

Anonymous wrote:Carole's definition of ride or die seems to be, once I've aligned myself with you I will never ever call you on any of your atrocious behavior.

When she was buds with Bethenny, she didn't call her on anything when she really should have (the screaming at LuAnn business). And now Dorinda. You're really not going to tell Dorinda that she is a drunken, Joker-esque, hot mess?

That's not my definition of a good friend. My definition of a good friend is someone who kindly points out to me when I'm going down the wrong path.

Off-screen though. Not as a character on TV. That's what a real friend would do.

Anonymous wrote:Carole's definition of ride or die seems to be, once I've aligned myself with you I will never ever call you on any of your atrocious behavior.

When she was buds with Bethenny, she didn't call her on anything when she really should have (the screaming at LuAnn business). And now Dorinda. You're really not going to tell Dorinda that she is a drunken, Joker-esque, hot mess?

That's not my definition of a good friend. My definition of a good friend is someone who kindly points out to me when I'm going down the wrong path.

I think you are right. that's a good point

Carole's definition of ride or die seems to be, once I've aligned myself with you I will never ever call you on any of your atrocious behavior.

When she was buds with Bethenny, she didn't call her on anything when she really should have (the screaming at LuAnn business). And now Dorinda. You're really not going to tell Dorinda that she is a drunken, Joker-esque, hot mess?

That's not my definition of a good friend. My definition of a good friend is someone who kindly points out to me when I'm going down the wrong path.

Has Tinsley been confirmed for next season? I'm over her. Boring. Her and Scott are going no where, so that story line isn't even remotely interesting anymore and it barely was anyway.

Anonymous wrote:I'm down with calling Bethenny out. She deserves it on many fronts.

What I am less down with is:

-Taking zero responsibility for anything from Dorinda and Carole. Dorinda, you have a drinking problem in that when you drink you behave atrociously and you are cruel. Call it what you want. It's a problem for you. And you completely deny it. You have lost me there. Carole, you were EQUALLY horrid in the Bethenny dynamic. Girl, I can't take your BS that you didn't bash Bethenny. I mean??

-Clearly the three of them organized ahead of time to gang up on Bethenny. It was too over the top and too mean. Try expressing yourself like sane human beings and not shrill bullies and it might work out better for you. Ramona is laughable. If she is part of your dream team, you need a reality check.

I find it interesting Tinsley stayed out of it. Wonder if that was calculated or she just couldn't keep up.

I'm going with the latter. She hasn't really been part of anything the whole season, other than the Scott cabaret invitation stuff in the last episode.

I'm down with calling Bethenny out. She deserves it on many fronts.

What I am less down with is:

-Taking zero responsibility for anything from Dorinda and Carole. Dorinda, you have a drinking problem in that when you drink you behave atrociously and you are cruel. Call it what you want. It's a problem for you. And you completely deny it. You have lost me there. Carole, you were EQUALLY horrid in the Bethenny dynamic. Girl, I can't take your BS that you didn't bash Bethenny. I mean??

-Clearly the three of them organized ahead of time to gang up on Bethenny. It was too over the top and too mean. Try expressing yourself like sane human beings and not shrill bullies and it might work out better for you. Ramona is laughable. If she is part of your dream team, you need a reality check.

I find it interesting Tinsley stayed out of it. Wonder if that was calculated or she just couldn't keep up.

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At this point she has very few allies left on the show. Possibly the stupid cow Ramona and yet Ramona will ditch her in a heartbeat if she thinks it will play out well for her.

Does Bethenny have any allies left on the show? It seems like they mostly show her talking to her driver, her makeup team, and her assistants.

Well, she's had a sudden change of heart about Sonja and Luann. Now they are tight, when she was about ready to sue Sonja into oblivion a few years ago and called Luann a whore a year ago. This show is so dysfunctional, as are the people who appear on it.

Bethenny hasn't had a change of heart. She was alliance building. She wants Dorinda, Tinsley, and Carole off the show. Dorinda and Carole will both call her out on her shit and even they have their own issues, they are both very good at verbal sparring. Bthenney the B is used to being on the show with women who won't or can't give it back to her. That's her real issue with Ramona too. Sonja is too crazy for anyone to take too seriously and Lou is too self centered to ever be able to mount any reasonable defense against anyone.

If you watch the season, Dorinda and Bethenny weren't even at odds. All season on camera they more or less got along fine and even relied on each other in some rough moments.

It's all post-filming that Dorinda turned on Bethenny. Right around the time Carole started writing all the shitty blogs. It doesn't take a genius to figure out those two are tight off camera and talking to each other. Whatever Carole is whispering in Dorinda's ear is not helping her out in the least. She's been defiant and defensive in real time while the show has been airing and making herself look 100x worse.

Bethenny crows about being honest and it's been proven that she's not. She's all about manipulation. You try to make Carole sound like some viscious harpy. Carole spoke up after vile Bethenny attacked her.

How did Bebenny attack her? She said some tactless things that seemed kind of true to me. Definitely not the nicest, but...Carole doesn’t have a job and her ex-boyfriend seems like a loser and her new best friend is a middle school girl named Tinsley. The truth hurts.

Well, is that "truth teller" someone you'd want to continue to be friends with? Carole did have a job, until Bethenny got her fired. And speaking of boyfriends being losers, people in glass apartments . . .

I don’t think you launch a missile when someone shoots a few darts at you. Obviously Bethenny hit some sore spots. But wow the shit Carole said in return was next level stone cold.

It's missile launching when you tell someone their boyfriend of multiple years was only with them because they were using them. And to say it on national TV for all the world to hear. That's next level. Betheny compared Carole's relationship with Adam to Luann's with Tom. I'm not a shrink, but that was totally a knife meant to twist in Carole's back. And Carole fired some missiles right back.

I have not really ever been a huge Carole fan, and I have found Bethenny to be a sympathetic character in the past, but not this time. Carole clearly kept a lot of Bethenny's less optimal stuff off camera and quiet. Bethenny didn't extend the same courtesy.

And Bethenny will lie at the drop of a hat. I'm surprised viewers can't see how manipulative she is on camera. She is only friendly with people who are less than her. She will turn on Sonja in a second when she stops being a sychophant.

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Andy Cohen is pretty vile for how much he pushes the unnacceptable behavior. Most of the cast didn't want to be on film for Jill's husband's funeral but Bethenny insisted. When the others called her out for this, Andy backed her up. Andy said Jill wanted it filmed. I think very poorly of Andy, Jill, and Bethenny.

I think Andy was pretty clear that he was the one who insisted. Jill requested for it to be filmed initially (totally sick IMO), Andy salivated, Bethenny agreed, the rest of the women were more reluctant. The others said that the cameras were only there because Bethenny wanted to film, but Andy was pretty clear this wasn't the case. So I don't think you could put this on Bethenny.

I put this on Jill, Bethenny and Andy. Just gross. It speaks volumes about Jill.

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At this point she has very few allies left on the show. Possibly the stupid cow Ramona and yet Ramona will ditch her in a heartbeat if she thinks it will play out well for her.

Does Bethenny have any allies left on the show? It seems like they mostly show her talking to her driver, her makeup team, and her assistants.

Well, she's had a sudden change of heart about Sonja and Luann. Now they are tight, when she was about ready to sue Sonja into oblivion a few years ago and called Luann a whore a year ago. This show is so dysfunctional, as are the people who appear on it.

Or like how just a few seasons ago Dorinda couldn't stand Carole and called her a mean girl for picking on Jules and now they're best friends? Or Carole could barely tolerate Ramona the Trump supporter and now she's suddenly buds with her and says she's not so bad.

Get real, they all turn on a dime.

That's what I said, they are all a crazy mess. It's like a merry-go-round of frenemies. Also, I don't think Carole ever cozied up to Ramona. She tolerated her, at best. They're not hanging out off-screen.

She started to be ok with Ramona because Ramona is venomously anti-Bethenny. That's it. Only reason. I actually think Carole is very strategic and thought this was all going to go her way. A la Brandi Glanville trying to take down LVP and nearly succeeding.

Uh, no. I think Ramona is absolutely team Carole for that reason, but it's not mutual.

And no, that theory is not based on logic. Carole had a real-life falling out with Bethenny, but there's no scenario in which Carole was trying to get her off the show. I mean, I don't think anyone other than Ramona is delusional enough to think they have enough leverage to get her off. I do, however, think that Bethenny decided to try to push Carole off the show once their friendship went south, and when Carole realized, she got angry; I suspect this is about the time of her blogs. Bethenny is the one who has the power to get someone fired, and she I think she did. But Carole may have tried to beat her to the punch by quitting first. Either way, Bethenny is no victim here.

I'm surprised by the posters shedding tears for Bethenny. I have never seen Andy so defend one of the members of his show as last night. His favoritism was shocking. Bethenny isn't a kind person. She is a person who looks down on most other people. Over the years, and it has gotten so much worse, B has shown that she thinks she is bigger, better, smarter, classier than everyone. We've never seen a relationship that she didn't torpodeo. She has to be the alpha. Always. Anyone who doesn't play the lesser gets destroyed. I think Carole and she are fundamentally different re morality. Carole would rather be a nice person. B couldn't care less. I'm sure Carole saw the real side of B and imagine what that is like given what we see on tv.

I do agree with B that the others are in denial about Dorinda's drinking problem but on these shows the women often agree not to broach some problems on tv. Both Lou and Sonja have had substance abuse problems and they were never addressed directly. It was widely speculated that Dorinda and John had problems with coke. Dorinda wasn't honest about how she acted at the cabaret re the dresses. Dorinda was embarrasing. I love Dorinda and hope she gets help. I have no use for B. I wish they would send her off on another show. I'm also done with Sonja and wish she would go.

The women are correct that it kills B to ever give any of the other women props for what they do. She belittles everyone in their endeavors. The nutcracker issue was an example. She belittles Dorinda for being upset but B contorted herself not to give her credit. She has done that in a lot of cases. B is about B and only gives the least amount of support to the other women. She's a pain to film with. She is not trustworthy.

People, please learn that “viscous” and “vicious”’are different words!

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Anonymous wrote:Bethenny said she'd just been through an intervention for someone and wasn't going to do another one at the reunion. Do you think she was talking about Dennis?

No she was talking about Luann who just went to rehab.

Oh, right. Duh.