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The Quran used to teach children is not in modern Arabic. Its old Arabic. [b]Children recite it. They memorize it. Then they learn the background story of the sura. And they learn the translation, often from teachers who know Quranic Arabic, every word of it. Children do not memorize the translation word for word. Unnecessary. Prayers are in Quranic Arabic, not translations. Children do not learn the translation of every sura though. [/b]How can they when its hundreds of pages long? And they may not be able to explain from the top of their head the translation to the suras they did learn. But they generally know because there are stories associated with some of them.

Why dont you call the Saudi Academy or ADAMS to find out what children are learning? They will be honest with you.[/quote]
I wonder if you understand that every post of yours on the subject confirms my position, not yours.

Children memorize the surahs and learn to recite them, like a collection of sounds in a language they don't know. Then someone tells them what (they think) this chapter is about. But children do not learn the translation of every surah, and they can't explain the translations they did learn.

Two questions for you:

a. How does this move anyone closer to the command of the Quranic Arabic you said it does?
b. How is this different from opera singers delivering arias in languages they don't speak?
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If my answers have confirmed your beliefs it means I have done a poor job of explaining or you were biased long before you got on DCUM. If I have done a poor job explaining, then its all the more reason for you to call a mosque to inquire about Quranic Arabic classes. You can google "mosques in Northern Virginia" (DC or Maryland). The most well known mosque in Virginia is  ADAMS or All Dulles Area Muslim Society. The Imam there is Muhamed Magid. The mosque has a great relationship with the US government. The FBI and CIA know Imam Magid and they have a mutually respectful relationship. The mosque has a very good relationship with local churches and synagogues too.  They can refer you to teachers far, far more knowledgeable than me and more adept at explaining things.  You can question and challenge them thoroughly. If you want, you can even locate a nonMuslim Quranic Arabic instructor if you would trust them more.

Come back to DCUM after three years of study and tell me if your understanding of Islam is the same.[/quote]
I have no interest in learning the quranic arabic or in entertaining more scholarly acrobatics from people whose main aim is to make the unattractive look  attractive. This is not a personal attack against you. You've delivered the party line to the best of your ability. But if that pleases you better , you can tell yourself that I just DONT WANT TO LEARN THE TRUTH goddammit.[/quote]

Honestly, I can't imagine telling anyone who wanted to learn more about my faith to go talk to a priest.  I'd direct them to an internet site or books--might even lend them some.  And I'd probably slip in some referrals to critiques of my faith as well for good measure because people should be shown both the pros and the cons for a good understanding.  I really, really do not understand why talking to some Islamic scholar is necessary for an understanding of the faith.  I suspect these referrals are made because they think the scholar will be more successful in converting someone than mere reading up on the subject.[/quote]

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