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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Anyone have a read on Shiv's drinking during the episode? It felt emphasized in the scene with Matsson and also on the plane home when everyone was having champagne. Like they made a point of showing her taking drinks and tossing her head back. Curious if people thought was really drinking or making it look like she was, and if she was drinking, if that has any bearing on her feelings about her pregnancy. I'm not sure what to make of it.

I thought it was interesting in the scene with Matsson when offers her the cocaine and she acts interested but then the conversation shifts and she never has any. It made me think if she was just skillfully making it look like she was partaking in alcohol/drugs by holding alcohol, saying yes to things offered, even appearing to take sips of things, but actually managing to avoid it somehow. I think that would be pretty hard in that environment but Shiv was doing a good job generally of playing it cool when her brothers, Tom, and the grays were not doing such a good job. Maybe she's just better at this stuff because of the time she spent in politics and outside of Waystar. She's less of a bubble baby than most of them are.[/quote]

I don't have a read and I don't want to go down a total rabbit hole, but it was noticeable. And one reason I say that is because on the boat for Kendall's wedding Shiv refuses champagne and asks for water, which seemed odd. And that was before we knew she was pregnant. I predicted a pregnancy for her in this last season so I admit my radar might be up more than normal.

I almost wonder if Shiv is still pregnant? She's really the least maternal person, like ever. I refuse to believe she just oops! got pregnant, but maybe it was before Tom betrayed her.[/quote]

Yes I totally do not want to get into a debate about drinking during pregnancy, but I felt like the editing was very focused on it. I had actually forgotten she was pregnant but it was the frequent closeups of her either holding a drink or sipping one that reminded me.

My sense if this pregnancy was accidental is that she and Tom had sex during/after their break up and that led her to slip up with birth control. I know I've switched birth control or gone off it at verious times for reasons unrelated to wanting to get pregnant (problem with side effects, having to stop one form before getting another, etc.) so if your life was in total turmoil when that was happening and you wound up sleeping with your estranged husband, you could maybe make a mistake.

I would find it very surprising and honestly pretty inconsistent if they try to tell us this was intentional because it just does not line up with anything she's ever said on the matter.[/quote]

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