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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I would have had some create a distraction so others could get past and get in there.[/quote]

:roll:  uh-huh[/quote]

NP, I know there is often grandstanding on this board and it’s hard to say with certainty what someone would do when faced with mortal danger but I do think a large percentage of parents would do anything they could to save their child in this situation.  In fact most parents would die without hesitation to save their child.[/quote]

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It’s possible the police would have had to shoot me in the back to stop me from running in there. I can’t imagine the helpless horror those poor kids and parents felt. Extra cruel. [/quote]

The cops did not stop the BP officer who showed :roll:  just kind of feed the narrative that the cops were scared.[/quote]

Some of the cops stepped forward and provided him cover while he rescued kids. [/quote]

1 or 2 did after 19 waited around for 40 minutes because they were scared.[/quote]

More than two. Let’s at least give them their due, given they were being told to stand down by their chief.[/quote]

Is there new info or more details?  Last I heard it was a group of 3-4 that went in with 1-2 being sheriff's deputies.  I'll praise whomever deserves praise.[/quote]

So they helped a buddy get his kids but handcuffed others?  [/quote]

Im sure orhers did but in this case we're talking about the assault team led by the off-duty CBP guy.  At least one sheriff's deputy and one other CBP joined.  I'm not sure how big a group it was but it was small.  What's worse is the CBP borrowed the ballistic shield from the Uvalde guys who were too scared.[/quote]

The article I read said it was him, 2 officers providing cover, and 2 more helping escort children to safety. He evacuated the wing his child was in, but it doesn't sound like he started with his child's class (whether that's intentional I couldn't say). I remember a line that was something like when he found his child, he gave them a hug and sent them out with the other officers and continued evacuating the other children in that wing.

I've heard the stories about some cops going in and getting their children out, but the DPS director said that wasn't true, and I haven't found any articles backing it up. This is the closest I can find to that rumor. Cops going in and getting out individual kids is inexcusable, but what this CBP agent did, leading a team and evacuating a whole wing (even if he picked that wing because his child was there), especially if they'd been told to stand down, I can at least understand it and support it to an extent. Their training was to take out the shooter first, but as much of a clusterf*** as this has been, at least he did something valuable. [/quote]
One parent did go in and come out only with her own kids. Could she have taken others? I mean, since we are critiquing, right?[/quote]

You mean the unarmed, no tactical gear having mom that was handcuffed by the police? The one that as soon as the handcuffs were removed, ran as fast as she could AWAY from the police to the school, jumped the fence, ran into the school with an active shooter, found her kids and ran out?

That mom?

You think that’s the same as police officers, trained and armed police officers, that were not just shouted at and handcuffed by police officers?

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I didn’t say it was the same? I know for a fact, though, I would have brought other kids. You are morally bound to do so. Police were wrong but once she knew she could get her own kids out, you take others. YMMV[/quote]

NP but I think it’s unfair to say you would have taken other kids out as well.  I would like to think I would have but who knows what was going on in that room to make her not do that.  None of us can understand the stress, fear and pure adrenaline running through this mother’s mind and body.[/quote]

The teacher may have been following protocol and would not let the other kids leave and kept them safe in the room. I don't think any parent was under any obligation to take out any other children than their own. I would like to think I would try but I honestly don't know what them done. One pumping knowing the cops weren't doing anything. I don't know how I would have reacted. 
I consistently don't understand like more people don't go out windows of first story rooms. [/quote]

[b]Those inside did not know where the gunman was.[/b] Since the woman made it safely to the classroom, it's reasonable to assume at that point he was not there. He also knew if he moved around the school, he would have gotten shot at. He wasn't taking that risk. We know this because he hasn't moved positions in quite a while.

Protocol no longer matters. Sorry teacher. The police were outside. The gunman was inside. Did the parent get her kids out through an outside door to the classroom? If so, it was much safer to get the kids out of the classroom where the police can provide cover. She clearly felt safe enough to get her own kids out. She took that risk. I'm not saying she was wrong or right, but leaving 20+ kids behind while you take your own ... I personally can't imagine it.[/quote]
I don’t understand why law enforcement didn’t seem to know where the shooter was. Can’t they communicate with each other? Children repeatedly gave their location as classroom numbers 111 and 112 to 911 dispatchers. Dispatch didn’t communicate that to people on the scene? There’s no point person for communications?[/quote]

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