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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]And why call a scholar anyway if things  ought to be obvious, and sometimes actually are obvious, if unpalatable?[/quote]

Did someone here tell you to call a scholar for obvious points? A 48 page thread shows there may be some points that are not so obvious. Besides, scholars studied Islamic history and its more than just a college class,[/quote]
Actually, the 48-page thread was about you and another Muslim poster committing mental acrobatics to try and prove, against all sense, that the obvious and simple Quranic verses on slavery, polygamy etc. - can somehow be interpreted to mean roses and chocolates, and those who don't believe it, should just call the scholar already.   Because a pair of eyes just won't do.[/quote]

Islam is actually an amazing religion. I love the fact that I can believe in all prophets Adam through Moses and then Jesus and finally Muhammad. I love the concept of oneness in God. I love that I can have a deeply personal relationship with God in five daily prayers, each of them taking just five minutes. I love that it requires I pay charity. Polygamy is not encouraged but it was practiced and Islam permits it. Same is true for slavery but both in the strictest of situations and not to abuse power. If you read Islamic history, studied tafsir, and spoke to scholars, they would show you proof of Islam's mercy. But if you don't care to learn, then its fine too. To each his own, right? [/quote]
It's not about me caring to learn.  It's about there being nothing to learn beyond what you can see.  Islam is like any other religion. It has lovely bits and less than lovely bits. As a Muslim, you are required to see it all as lovely, and the institution of scholars is there to support you in this belief. You, as a Muslim, are under obligation to see it as perfect, and assume that good explanations exist for the unlovely bits.  I, luckily for me, am not.

Unlike you, I am under no obligation to see it as lovely, or assume that good reasons exists for what seems unlovely.  So when I read something that appears on its face unfair, ugly, or cruel, then unlike you, I am free to accept that it really IS unfair, ugly and cruel, and no scholar in the world can spin it to make it look like roses.  I'm sure scholars would show me proof of Islam's mercy - but they would, wouldn't they? They are not motivated by objectivity. They are motivated by the desire to cast the religion in the best possible light. That's the job. If you spoke to actual historians, they would show you proof of Islam's mercy as well as Islam's cruelty.  Islam is like any other religion, and Muslims are like any other people. They and their religion don't have any particular claim to moral perfection.

If you love things about it, that's great, as a Muslim I'm sure it comes handy for you. But that's just you.  If other people don't see the beauty in it, it's not because they aren't willing to learn. It's because to them, it simply is not beautiful, and no amount of scholarly airtime will make it so.[/quote]

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