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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I can understand the sentence. It was basically a hookup at a frat party gone wrong. It doesn't make sense to send one party to prison for years.. There's no way to know when she became unconscious, but it was probably later rather than sooner.[/quote]

No, IT WAS A RAPE, you idiot[/quote]

Do you think a woman [b]ever bears any responsibility[/b] re staying sober, not trusting drunk strangers, not walking down a street at 2 a.m. alone, etc? We're not doing any favors to perpetuate the myth that women can be and do anything they want and go anywhere they want without being responsible for their own safety to the degree possible. That's beyond naive and truly not very smart.[/quote]

Well lucky for you this woman got her comeuppance, huh? That'll teach her!!

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You're misinterpreting what I said. Think what you want, but I believe women need to think smart for their own safety as much as is humanly possible. I think the same for men. No one deserves to be hurt, raped, killed, maimed, etc.; and no one can ever be completely safe. [/quote]

If you're ever raped, I presume you'll blame yourself, then. Surely you would have done something that caused it to happen to you.[/quote]

If you counsel young men and women in any capacity, I hope you'll instill the idea that we all need to be on the lookout for dangerous situations and not trust people who don't care what happens to us and may even cause harm.  It's part of the basic teaching we share with middle and high school students re drug and alcohol safety. Doesn't mean we're assigning blame. It's about safety. [/quote]

Stop talking[/quote]

No the last post is 100% correct. Np here. [/quote]

And yet you can also be incredibly mindful of your safety and still end up in the wrong place at the wrong time and get raped.[b] No woman BEARS RESPONSIBILITY for being raped[/b]. Not one. [/quote]

I don't think PP said she did.  [/quote]

I am supportive of advising young women on how to take precautions to reduce the likelihood of becoming a victim, provided those lessons are given In a context where it is explicitly clear they are not somehow at fault or responsible if they are attacked. But the folks who are bringing up talking to young men about drinking need to also stop and look at what happened in this case and realize why this focus on alcohol and promiscuity is potentially harmful. One of the most powerful parts of this woman's victim statement, in my mind, is when she addresses the rapist's claim that he should receive leniency because he is planning on counseling other boys about the dangers of alcohol and promiscuity. She is entirely right: the problem here isn't that either of them was drunk. It is that he is a rapist. Literally billions of people consume alcohol and don't rape others. Counseling young adults about alcohol use is a good idea. Reframing sexual assault as about drinking and promiscuity, on the other hand, allows people to pretend that rape is far less serious of a problem than it is. When you are talking to young men about sexual assault, explain what consent means. Demand that they respect women. Make it unequivocally clear that sexual assault and taking advantage of someone who is intoxicated is a moral wrong, that they should be profoundly ashamed of themselves if they do it, and that society will justifiably punish them severely. Also talk to them about alcohol, but don't pretend an alcohol talk is a rape talk.[/quote]

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