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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Here's the difference:

Of course violent crime is horrible, and of course blacks hate being victimized by criminals - but, one expects criminals to be criminals.

But when cops are the ones engaging in criminal behavior, it's not only the crime that's horrible, it's the betrayal as well that makes it even worse - that the people who are supposed to be protecting you are the ones victimizing you.[/quote]

And the fact that the number of black on black deaths exceeds by many times the number of those from police misconduct/brutality makes no difference?[/quote]

You shouldn't be shot and killed by your own government.[/quote]

No, but you should also - as a parent - be responsible for your own kids.  When parents lose control of their kids, the government takes over - social services or jail.  That's the way it goes, folks.

Of course, we can say that poverty is the root of all evil. But again, with social programs (WIC, Medicaid, Job Corps, migrant training, you name it), why do people stay within victim mode?

We've basically fucked ourselves by ignoring how to wean people off programs.

The answer isn't more government.  Instead, we need more transition services.  Furthermore, mandate sensitivity training for police.

But most importantly?  Parents NEED to be parents.  I don't care how goddamn poor you are.  Your kids come first.  There are more than a few success stories out there of people overcoming the odds.[/quote]

Spot on!

But don't expect your viewpoint to receive much support from liberals.[/quote]

Really??  You don't think "liberals" want people to be parents too?  No one is absolving parents of their responsibility.  How long did it take for them to find the guy who killed the 9 year old?  One week.  How long did it take the police to release the video of the cop - 14 MONTHS and ONLY after going to court.

The LaQuan kid was a ward of the state.  His mother abandoned him, then when she got him back at 3, her boyfriend beat him up.  Oh sure, that kid had a chance??  The city settled with the family for $5M last year.  I am a liberal and I want to know what the hell for?  His mother got $5M for being a fucked up mother?

I've seen a ton of coverage on the guy and the kid killed.  A ton.  And there should be.

I've come to realized that there is just a generation lost.  I hate to say it, but alot of those folks can never work.  They just can't.  They haven't seen someone go to work in 3 generations.  Seriously.  I've seen it with my husband's family.  After meeting them, I realized that it is what it is.  These folks have NO skills.  They can't even communicate.  You can complain about government services if you want, but you will be paying for these people - either in jail, as the homeless or through TANF.  [/quote]

Actually, I wrote what Spot On liked, and I'm a Lib, too.

I said it before - that we've failed as a society to wean people off social programs and we've enabled a sense of victimhood in many.  I've worked with kids in foster homes.  Many don't make it in a comprehensive setting.  The people working with these kids have good hearts (most, not all), but they simply cannot make up for years of lost parenting.  These kids are abandoned, neglected, and many were repeatedly molested by an uncle or boyfriend before CPS intervened.

However, the same can be said for many kids living in poverty - abandoned by parents who are either too damn lazy to work or by those working multiple jobs just to keep a meal on the table.  But there are those living in poverty who make sacrifices. I can name several kids who made it - with mainly fathers working their asses off so that someone - a mother, aunt, or grandmother - would be the stable adult figure.  These kids were loved, and many ended up with academic scholarships (not athletic) to some solid universities.

On the flip side, there are parents, home all day, sucking up the system, who aren't involved.

Good, responsible parents make sacrifices and understand what love and support are.

What did you expect would happen to a kid like Laquan McDonald who was abused, neglected and passed around?  Who's to blame in this case?  white society?  Is that the easy answer?

Instead of placing blame on some "entity," create more alternative schools with mental health resources and teachers TRAINED in dealing with troubled kids.  Illiterate kids will turn to crime.  They'll steal, murder, and join gangs unless people recognize the need to recreate an environment where kids have boundaries and are held to high expectations.

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